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EzraS
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01 Apr 2020, 5:21 am

Graphs can be difficult to decipher. Unlike equations. The lines show me it is growing, but not in context. As in it being "10 times more contagious than the flu. In order to put the graphs in context, I would have to compare them with graphs going back ten years.



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01 Apr 2020, 5:25 am

The "correct" graph can be very useful for understanding what is going on.

Electrical Engineers use something called a Smith Chart, a very weird looking circular chart, because it makes transmission line calculations very simple.

Engineers will plot the data on different charts looking for straight lines.
Or in the case of the Smith Chart, near perfect circles.

Some people are better able to spot trends with visual data.

I wonder if anyone still looks at stocks by numbers. A ticker tape feed of numbers as stock prices jump up and down.

I am lucky enough to be able to do both. And equations. But, how do you know if an equation is good for experimental data?



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01 Apr 2020, 5:57 am

Does the ability to objectively remember data from decades ago count as an "Aspie Superpower?"

When I went to school there seemed to be way too much concern about bias and fudging the data.
Why? I just want to learn the best way to do something. Why would I arbitrarily pick a side and fudge the data?



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01 Apr 2020, 6:40 am

You give me all the epidemic and pandemic graphs gong back 10 years and I will work with them.



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01 Apr 2020, 6:59 am

This is a common issue at work. I can only remember stuff that I've been told or found out on my own. 8O

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01 Apr 2020, 7:47 am

I don't have all the epidemological curves collected.
This is H1N1 in the US:
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and Mexico:
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With Covid, most of the world is still on the climbing side of the first curve and we don't really know how it develops further.

No, I don't say we're imminently doomed. The sanitary routines at your home make you unlikely to catch Covid. I just say, comparing a summary of an epidemics that is over to summaries of an epidemics that is still gaining momentum makes no sense.


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01 Apr 2020, 8:01 am

magz wrote:
I don't have all the epidemological curves collected.
This is H1N1 in the US:
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and Mexico:
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With Covid, most of the world is still on the climbing side of the first curve and we don't really know how it develops further.

No, I don't say we're imminently doomed. The sanitary routines at your home make you unlikely to catch Covid. I just say, comparing a summary of an epidemics that is over to summaries of an epidemics that is still gaining momentum makes no sense.


I agree. That's why I prefer to work with the numbers.



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01 Apr 2020, 8:38 am

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I disagree. Lack of synaptic pruning leads to irrelevant, unfiltered and perhaps offensive output. But anyways..


That's O.K. Most of us are Aspies here and we can relate.


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01 Apr 2020, 9:09 am

BTDT wrote:
Does the ability to objectively remember data from decades ago count as an "Aspie Superpower?"

When I went to school there seemed to be way too much concern about bias and fudging the data.
Why? I just want to learn the best way to do something. Why would I arbitrarily pick a side and fudge the data?


Off hand I would say, Yes. IMHO Aspie brains have more interconnects than NT brains. It is like the difference between serial and parallel communications. Aspies utilize parallel processing. Having so many interconnects means the way we learn takes us longer to arrive at a decision because we integrate a wide range of memories into our logic.

When I perform an introspective analysis, it is like my mind is a massive library card catalog. All those memories are on the shelves like books. I do not see the memories. But the brain retains the card catalog, so it allows me to remember that a memory exist and its location and sometimes clues where to look, and a fuzzy premonition of that data and experience. And during the last part of my sleep cycle, my mind is able to zip along at the speed of light retrieving these past memories from the book shelves and deriving the best solutions. And those are a different thought process that NTs use.


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01 Apr 2020, 10:06 am

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Every pandemic this century has started out with lots of fear and dire predictions, and ened up fizzling out along those lines.

Like I figured in early March from watching the numbers, Covid did not even surpass a million cases worldwide by April 1st.

To me it needs to at least match the numbers of other pandemics before I start regarding it as the worst. As of April 1st and past Day 60 it still has not even gotten out of the starting gate.

And I mean hasn't gotten out of the gate based on just the numbers seen in the US, rather than globally.


The point is simply to flatten the curve so as not to overburden hospitals but media and ppl take it to next level of panicking. Human nature perhaps.


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01 Apr 2020, 10:24 am

jimmy m wrote:
BTDT wrote:
Does the ability to objectively remember data from decades ago count as an "Aspie Superpower?"

When I went to school there seemed to be way too much concern about bias and fudging the data.
Why? I just want to learn the best way to do something. Why would I arbitrarily pick a side and fudge the data?


Off hand I would say, Yes. IMHO Aspie brains have more interconnects than NT brains. It is like the difference between serial and parallel communications. Aspies utilize parallel processing. Having so many interconnects means the way we learn takes us longer to arrive at a decision because we integrate a wide range of memories into our logic.

When I perform an introspective analysis, it is like my mind is a massive library card catalog. All those memories are on the shelves like books. I do not see the memories. But the brain retains the card catalog, so it allows me to remember that a memory exist and its location and sometimes clues where to look, and a fuzzy premonition of that data and experience. And during the last part of my sleep cycle, my mind is able to zip along at the speed of light retrieving these past memories from the book shelves and deriving the best solutions. And those are a different thought process that NTs use.


Thats so trueeeeee!! !!

Although I bet having ADD/ADHD too wd mess with the input andprocessing of input too and it wdnt apply in that straightforward of a way. I think i have that too..

Actually numbers (data) are something I don't usually take in, my eyes glaze over with those things... :/ but with interpersonal matters it applies to me


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01 Apr 2020, 11:04 am

I was trying to post these yesterday but my phone would not allow me to copy any link.

Something Doug Ford and I have in common during this time:
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/03/do ... out-bangs/

And this spoof has much truth to it :mrgreen: :
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/03/ce ... e-to-mock/


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01 Apr 2020, 11:06 am

blooiejagwa wrote:
I was trying to post these yesterday but my phone would not allow me to copy any link.

Something Doug Ford and I have in common during this time:
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/03/do ... out-bangs/

And this spoof has much truth to it :mrgreen: :
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/03/ce ... e-to-mock/


Is the Beaverton anything like the onion?



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01 Apr 2020, 11:26 am

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blooiejagwa wrote:
I was trying to post these yesterday but my phone would not allow me to copy any link.

Something Doug Ford and I have in common during this time:
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/03/do ... out-bangs/

And this spoof has much truth to it :mrgreen: :
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/03/ce ... e-to-mock/


Is the Beaverton anything like the onion?


Yes indeed


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01 Apr 2020, 11:46 am

Spain is catching up with Italy.

US is at past 200k with about 4k deaths which is a mortality rate of about 2%.



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01 Apr 2020, 11:47 am

I was in CVS Pharmacy a few minutes ago and I would estimate that 60% of the people inside were wearing face mask.

In another article this morning:

While medical face masks should be reserved for health professionals battling the coronavirus amid a shortage of protective equipment, some experts are saying others should consider improvising their own mask.

“Cover your face with cloth — however you want to do that,” Shan Soe-Lin, a lecturer at the Yale Jackson Institute for Global Affairs, told The New York Times. “Cover your face pretty thoroughly from your mouth to your nose to prevent large aerosol droplets coming out or going in.”

New data showing as many as 25 percent of those infected are asymptomatic has led the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to reconsider advising the public not to wear masks, the Times reported.

“I think increasing evidence suggests the virus is spread not just through droplets but through aerosols,” Dr. Gerardo Chowell, an epidemiologist at Georgia State University, told the Times. “It would make a lot of sense to encourage at the very least face-mask use in enclosed spaces, including supermarkets.”

Studies have shown that wearing a mask can lower the risk for respiratory infection, including SARS, the Times reported.

Shan wrote in an op-ed for The Boston Globe that scarves and bandanas can be used if inexpensive cloth masks are unavailable.

Scientists who study airborne diseases advise that thicker fabric will give more protection, and Linsey Marr, an airborne disease expert at Virginia Tech, told the Times that thick cotton or felt are ideal.

She said if you use a bandana, triple it up because the fabric is so thin it likely won’t give much protection.

Cloth masks should be washed every day you wear them.

Scott Gottlieb, a former commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration in the Trump administration, told The Washington Post that homemade masks like bandanas don't protect the wearer from the virus, but could keep the wearer from spreading infected droplets.

“A cotton mask — we should be putting out guidelines from the CDC on how you can develop a mask on your own," he said.

Gottlieb wrote a pandemic-response plan published by the American Enterprise Institute last weekend that calls for “everyone, including people without symptoms...to wear nonmedical fabric face masks while in public.”

Dr. Adit Ginde, a professor of emergency medicine at the University of Colorado School of Medicine, told the Times, “I still believe that masks are primarily for health care workers and for those who are sick to help prevent spreading droplets to others. However, I do believe that for limited circumstances when individuals must be in close quarters with others, a correctly positioned mask or other face cover for a short duration could be helpful.”

Source: Should you wear a homemade face mask?


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