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01 Apr 2020, 4:12 pm

Bravo5150 wrote:
Magna wrote:
U.S. Intel report. China's virus numbers are confirmed to be fake/under-reported; but we knew that already.


Any estimate on how much off?


Millions.

Many, many countries have highly inaccurate data due to problems with testing and/or reporting.

North Korea
Russia
India
Indonesia
Pakistan
Mexico
Venezuela
Bangladesh
Ethiopia
Nigeria
Congo
Kenya
most of Africa, TBH



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01 Apr 2020, 4:21 pm

Syd wrote:
Bravo5150 wrote:
Magna wrote:
U.S. Intel report. China's virus numbers are confirmed to be fake/under-reported; but we knew that already.


Any estimate on how much off?


Millions.

Many, many countries have highly inaccurate data due to problems with testing and/or reporting.

North Korea
Russia
India
Indonesia
Pakistan
Mexico
Venezuela
Bangladesh
Ethiopia
Nigeria
Congo
Kenya
most of Africa, TBH


Do all of those countries have figures off by a few M?



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01 Apr 2020, 4:27 pm

Bravo5150 wrote:
Syd wrote:
Bravo5150 wrote:
Magna wrote:
U.S. Intel report. China's virus numbers are confirmed to be fake/under-reported; but we knew that already.


Any estimate on how much off?


Millions.

Many, many countries have highly inaccurate data due to problems with testing and/or reporting.

North Korea
Russia
India
Indonesia
Pakistan
Mexico
Venezuela
Bangladesh
Ethiopia
Nigeria
Congo
Kenya
most of Africa, TBH


Do all of those countries have figures off by a few M?


I don't know the real number for each country.

But there are probably tens of millions in unidentified cases worldwide.



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01 Apr 2020, 5:13 pm

March 1st 98 cases of COVID-19 in the USA April 1st 209,071 cases and counting


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01 Apr 2020, 5:47 pm

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March 1st 98 cases of COVID-19 in the USA April 1st 209,071 cases and counting


May 1st 1,000,000 cases?



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01 Apr 2020, 6:09 pm

China's lies will forever impact international trade
https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/03/31 ... s-experts/



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01 Apr 2020, 7:00 pm

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What about plant wire, or the super long pipe cleaners?


Someone at Jo Ann Fabrics said they tried to use a pipe cleaner but it tore through the mask, especially when it was washed.


What about thin Tygon-type plastic tubing? It is used in fish aquariums for the air hoses. Some of them are hard, yet flexible. I do not think that they would tear the fabric as much as wire, but they are unfortunately wider than the wire. I would think that they would be durable enough for potential consideration. It can be bought in very long coils.



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01 Apr 2020, 7:59 pm

Magna wrote:
U.S. Intel report. China's virus numbers are confirmed to be fake/under-reported; but we knew that already.


Mosty of us, the ones without monetary gain from china.
WHO is a fracking corrupt joke. :evil:

Syd wrote:
Bravo5150 wrote:
Magna wrote:
U.S. Intel report. China's virus numbers are confirmed to be fake/under-reported; but we knew that already.


Any estimate on how much off?


Millions.

Many, many countries have highly inaccurate data due to problems with testing and/or reporting.

North Korea
Russia
India
Indonesia
Pakistan
Mexico
Venezuela
Bangladesh
Ethiopia
Nigeria
Congo
Kenya
most of Africa, TBH


Are you defending china?
Just asking. :wink:



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01 Apr 2020, 8:06 pm

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https://youtu.be/jRbHEm9Jp8o

How to make an excellent face shield from an empty plastic coke bottle


I like that. :thumright:

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An Icelandic study suggests that 25 to 50 percent of CV carriers have no symptoms,and are quietly spreading the virus.
CNN.com

This sort of reminds me of silent Mono carriers, except CV is way more contagious.


Wouldn't surprise me if this was accurate.



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01 Apr 2020, 8:15 pm

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The ratbag kids are spreading the virus here in Oz too.

We are having a particular problem with the young back-packer crowd holding parities. I.E. Not social isolating.
The age group is predominately from 20-29.
Young females have the highest infection rate.
Kick the bastards out of the country I say.



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01 Apr 2020, 8:22 pm

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For months now North Korea has claimed they have no COVID-19 cases. But now the World Health Organization (WHO) is giving them $900,000 to support North Korea's efforts to fight COVID-19. The U.S. is the largest contributor to WHO. So WHO must be under the impression that they have money to burn and because I pay taxes each year, it is my money that is being burned.



Based on what I have read/heard, WHO is a noxious virus at the beck and call of the ccp.
I think we should eradicate this pestilence along with the coronavirus.

Jimmy, sometimes it is hard to know you comments from the articles.
Just saying. :wink:



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01 Apr 2020, 8:36 pm

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A homemade mask or a surgical mask is not as protective as an N95, but it can serve two important purposes. It can reduce the R0, how many people are infected by another individual. If the mask reduces the viral particles being dispersed by the asymptomatic or the not-quite symptomatic by one or two persons, the R0 is reduced by a third or more. Second, it may reduce the amount of virus transmitted, and there is some evidence, although speculative, that a reduction in viral load is associated with a more benign course. There is little downside to wearing a mask when you venture out of your home, and there is the real possibility of an upside benefit, to you and your neighbors.


This is what I have been saying.
I think it should be mandatory for everyone to wear *some* sort of mask, even if it is only a bandana.
Personal responsibility.
Many Asian countries do this without thinking about it.
It is time western societies wake up to themselves. :wink:

And yes, "virus load" seems to me to be an important consideration.
It probably explains the severity of problems first-line workers seem to have, in abundance.



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01 Apr 2020, 9:04 pm

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jimmy m wrote:
A homemade mask or a surgical mask is not as protective as an N95, but it can serve two important purposes. It can reduce the R0, how many people are infected by another individual. If the mask reduces the viral particles being dispersed by the asymptomatic or the not-quite symptomatic by one or two persons, the R0 is reduced by a third or more. Second, it may reduce the amount of virus transmitted, and there is some evidence, although speculative, that a reduction in viral load is associated with a more benign course. There is little downside to wearing a mask when you venture out of your home, and there is the real possibility of an upside benefit, to you and your neighbors.


This is what I have been saying.
I think it should be mandatory for everyone to wear *some* sort of mask, even if it is only a bandana.
Personal responsibility.
Many Asian countries do this without thinking about it.
It is time western societies wake up to themselves. :wink:

And yes, "virus load" seems to me to be an important consideration.
It probably explains the severity of problems first-line workers seem to have, in abundance.


Things are getting out of hand. Last week I walked into the bank with a bandana over my face and everyone screamed and acted like I was a criminal. This week I walked into the bank without a bandana over my face and everyone screamed and acted like I was a plague-carrier and a criminal.


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01 Apr 2020, 9:34 pm

It seems like comorbidities play a major role on the seriousness of the affect on individuals. Doctors treating these patients are seeing that diabetes and being overweight in the obese category place an individual in extreme risk of this coronavirus.


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01 Apr 2020, 9:36 pm

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China's lies will forever impact international trade
https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/03/31 ... s-experts/


I hope China's lies end up sullying U.S./China relations for at least a generation. In fact, I hope China's relations with other nations around the glove are sullied just as much and for just as long. I have my doubts, however; there is a strong undercurrent of pro-China propaganda that's been fed to the world for decades and there is an equal pro-China embrace by people around the world who have fallen for the propaganda.



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01 Apr 2020, 9:37 pm

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Are you defending china?
Just asking. :wink:


Hell no! 8O I mean, I feel sorry for their citizens. But their government are horrible monsters.

-greed
-censorship
-misinformation
-massive corruption
-animal rights violations
-human rights violations
-environmental destruction, pollution