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12 Sep 2019, 1:45 am

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Like I have said before. With conservatives I see practicality. With liberals I see idealism.


I don't buy this. I see conservatives as being the idealists especially with the idea that anyone and everyone has choices, can always make the correct choices and one's circumstances is solely depended upon the choices one makes. They have this ideal that we're in control over our lives when that control is limited. Conservatives are in love this philosophy even when presented information that contradicts this.


From what I have seen it is being said that usually people have choices to make. Like for example the choice to leave for work on time or not. Usually getting to work on time is determined by one's choice to leave on time.

Your rubttal to that is to view it as an absolute. And then come with a string of plot holes such as, what if your alarm clock malfunctions, or you get a flat tire, or you're struck by a meteor and so on. Showing how one has no real control.

But in reality most of the time the decision to leave for work on time, gets you to work on time.



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12 Sep 2019, 1:53 am

EzraS wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
Like I have said before. With conservatives I see practicality. With liberals I see idealism.


I don't buy this. I see conservatives as being the idealists especially with the idea that anyone and everyone has choices, can always make the correct choices and one's circumstances is solely depended upon the choices one makes. They have this ideal that we're in control over our lives when that control is limited. Conservatives are in love this philosophy even when presented information that contradicts this.


From what I have seen it is being said that usually people have choices to make. Like for example the choice to leave for work on time or not. Usually getting to work on time is determined by one's choice to leave on time.

Your rubttal to that is to view it as an absolute. And then come with a string of plot holes such as, what if your alarm clock malfunctions, or you get a flat tire, or you're struck by a meteor and so on. Showing how one has no real control.

But in reality most of the time the decision to leave for work on time, gets you to work on time.


I don't view it as an absolute. It's conservatives who do. Conservatives have unreasonable and perfectionist standards of ppl.



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12 Sep 2019, 2:02 am

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I don't believe that everyone can be independent. I think it is naive for conservatives to think otherwise.


Most people can be independent. Not all. Just most. I myself can not be independent. But I consider myself an exception to the rule, rather than being what it should be measured by. And I believe most, not all, but most conservatives would agree that I am not able to be independent due to my obvious disabilities.



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12 Sep 2019, 2:06 am

cubedemon6073 wrote:
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Like I have said before. With conservatives I see practicality. With liberals I see idealism.


I don't buy this. I see conservatives as being the idealists especially with the idea that anyone and everyone has choices, can always make the correct choices and one's circumstances is solely depended upon the choices one makes. They have this ideal that we're in control over our lives when that control is limited. Conservatives are in love this philosophy even when presented information that contradicts this.


From what I have seen it is being said that usually people have choices to make. Like for example the choice to leave for work on time or not. Usually getting to work on time is determined by one's choice to leave on time.

Your rubttal to that is to view it as an absolute. And then come with a string of plot holes such as, what if your alarm clock malfunctions, or you get a flat tire, or you're struck by a meteor and so on. Showing how one has no real control.

But in reality most of the time the decision to leave for work on time, gets you to work on time.


I don't view it as an absolute. It's conservatives who do. Conservatives have unreasonable and perfectionist standards of ppl.


I doubt that most of them view it as an absolute. But rather that it is the case most of the time.



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12 Sep 2019, 2:13 am

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Back to the original post - - today senate Republicans denied there was any threat to foreigners receiving medical care at hearings today, till they heard from children and adults who would be sent home to their deaths, and administration representatives who refused to answer questions and pissed off even Republicans like Lindsey Graham. Yes, Trump wants to send dark skinned foreigners to their deaths rather than helping them, and some Republicans even overcame their moral cowardice to speak out against it.


So if they were light skinned Bosnians they would be allowed to stay.



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12 Sep 2019, 2:34 am

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You are not going to like my response but here is my opinion. I would educate her as far as she can be educated and make her as independent as possible while accepting the harsh reality that she is more then likely not going to be hold a job and live on her own.


That is exactly what was done with me. And it was the right way to proceed.

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If this is possible....

Quite honestly I think all of the money that is used for therapy and mainstreaming and normalizing can be better spent just investing into some kind of trust fund. Even with therapy and all of this extra help the majority of us are unemployed even if we went to college.

I think he has the right idea. https://autismgadfly.blogspot.com/2009/ ... -help.html

My goal would be not for them to be employed but for your daughter to live at her own place being by her trust fund. Mainstreaming and trying to put them in competitive employment does not work for an autistic person.


Most of us with significant autism require a 24/7 caregiver. My living independently will mean moving into a room in a care home. That is the best I am able going to be able to manage as far as being on my own goes.



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12 Sep 2019, 2:40 am

EzraS wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:

You are not going to like my response but here is my opinion. I would educate her as far as she can be educated and make her as independent as possible while accepting the harsh reality that she is more then likely not going to be hold a job and live on her own.


That is exactly what was done with me. And it was the right way to proceed.

cubedemon6073 wrote:
If this is possible....

Quite honestly I think all of the money that is used for therapy and mainstreaming and normalizing can be better spent just investing into some kind of trust fund. Even with therapy and all of this extra help the majority of us are unemployed even if we went to college.

I think he has the right idea. https://autismgadfly.blogspot.com/2009/ ... -help.html

My goal would be not for them to be employed but for your daughter to live at her own place being by her trust fund. Mainstreaming and trying to put them in competitive employment does not work for an autistic person.


Most of us with significant autism require a 24/7 caregiver. My living independently will mean moving into a room in a care home. That is the best I am able going to be able to manage as far as being on my own goes.


Dude, if you're in a care home you're not independent.



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12 Sep 2019, 2:52 am

EzraS wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:

You are not going to like my response but here is my opinion. I would educate her as far as she can be educated and make her as independent as possible while accepting the harsh reality that she is more then likely not going to be hold a job and live on her own.


That is exactly what was done with me. And it was the right way to proceed.

cubedemon6073 wrote:
If this is possible....

Quite honestly I think all of the money that is used for therapy and mainstreaming and normalizing can be better spent just investing into some kind of trust fund. Even with therapy and all of this extra help the majority of us are unemployed even if we went to college.

I think he has the right idea. https://autismgadfly.blogspot.com/2009/ ... -help.html

My goal would be not for them to be employed but for your daughter to live at her own place being by her trust fund. Mainstreaming and trying to put them in competitive employment does not work for an autistic person.


Most of us with significant autism require a 24/7 caregiver. My living independently will mean moving into a room in a care home. That is the best I am able going to be able to manage as far as being on my own goes.


I'm totally fine with that. I would like it if she could communicate to her satisfaction, she gets frustrated now. She understands everything we say to her, follows directions. She's wonderful and the sweetest kid ever. :heart:


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12 Sep 2019, 2:54 am

cubedemon6073 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:

You are not going to like my response but here is my opinion. I would educate her as far as she can be educated and make her as independent as possible while accepting the harsh reality that she is more then likely not going to be hold a job and live on her own.


That is exactly what was done with me. And it was the right way to proceed.

cubedemon6073 wrote:
If this is possible....

Quite honestly I think all of the money that is used for therapy and mainstreaming and normalizing can be better spent just investing into some kind of trust fund. Even with therapy and all of this extra help the majority of us are unemployed even if we went to college.

I think he has the right idea. https://autismgadfly.blogspot.com/2009/ ... -help.html

My goal would be not for them to be employed but for your daughter to live at her own place being by her trust fund. Mainstreaming and trying to put them in competitive employment does not work for an autistic person.


Most of us with significant autism require a 24/7 caregiver. My living independently will mean moving into a room in a care home. That is the best I am able going to be able to manage as far as being on my own goes.


Dude, if you're in a care home you're not independent.



He's away from his parents. I'm not trying to be disrespectful to parents, but that's gotta be a plus.


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12 Sep 2019, 3:22 am

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I don't believe that everyone can be independent. I think it is naive for conservatives to think otherwise.



I agree. And I am for disability benefits. But, it seems to me that once the initial decision is made and the check is issued, the case will never be in front of another worker again. I think it's naive to believe there's actually a group of people whose job it is to oversee whether or not a disabled person is able to survive on the small amount they are given. I believe the disability checks should be larger, at minimum $2,000/mo.

I have one little granddaughter with Autism who is non-verbal. She could really benefit from some one on one help, but Medicaid stopped paying for it and her check is so low it won't cover the therapy and allow for other needs.

I believe a very specialized service that can't be found anywhere else in the whole world should be made available on a case by case basis to certain families from other countries. But the idea of every person from South America saying they need to be in the US for Dialysis, is BS.

I believe that Welfare should be a set amount, for 12-18 mos with NO increase for dummies who keep having kids.


Actually it’s gets reviews every 5 years or less. 5 years is for permanent disability and they still review, I get mine every 4 years 11 months cause they know it’s permand can’t be cured but don’t want to put me in permanent. It’s hell every 5 years.


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12 Sep 2019, 3:25 am

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Back to the original post - - today senate Republicans denied there was any threat to foreigners receiving medical care at hearings today, till they heard from children and adults who would be sent home to their deaths, and administration representatives who refused to answer questions and pissed off even Republicans like Lindsey Graham. Yes, Trump wants to send dark skinned foreigners to their deaths rather than helping them, and some Republicans even overcame their moral cowardice to speak out against it.


So if they were light skinned Bosnians they would be allowed to stay.


Hopefully, they'll all be allowed to stay now that those senatorial Republicans got majorly shamed on live TV.


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12 Sep 2019, 3:31 am

EzraS wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
I don't believe that everyone can be independent. I think it is naive for conservatives to think otherwise.


Most people can be independent. Not all. Just most. I myself can not be independent. But I consider myself an exception to the rule, rather than being what it should be measured by. And I believe most, not all, but most conservatives would agree that I am not able to be independent due to my obvious disabilities.

So is this a case of I have mine screw others.
I’m not physically disabled, most conservatives say I’m just lazy and want me off ssdi
Keep in mind most conservatives want to get rid of social security and say hey ezras don’t worry the churches will provide for you or that your family should.

Do you think I shouldn’t be in Ssdi?


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12 Sep 2019, 3:43 am

cubedemon6073 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:

You are not going to like my response but here is my opinion. I would educate her as far as she can be educated and make her as independent as possible while accepting the harsh reality that she is more then likely not going to be hold a job and live on her own.


That is exactly what was done with me. And it was the right way to proceed.

cubedemon6073 wrote:
If this is possible....

Quite honestly I think all of the money that is used for therapy and mainstreaming and normalizing can be better spent just investing into some kind of trust fund. Even with therapy and all of this extra help the majority of us are unemployed even if we went to college.

I think he has the right idea. https://autismgadfly.blogspot.com/2009/ ... -help.html

My goal would be not for them to be employed but for your daughter to live at her own place being by her trust fund. Mainstreaming and trying to put them in competitive employment does not work for an autistic person.


Most of us with significant autism require a 24/7 caregiver. My living independently will mean moving into a room in a care home. That is the best I am able going to be able to manage as far as being on my own goes.


Dude, if you're in a care home you're not independent.


I know. But at least I won't be living in my parents home with them looking after me. I will have at least moved out. And they will no longer be entirely resonable for me.



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12 Sep 2019, 3:54 am

sly279 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
I don't believe that everyone can be independent. I think it is naive for conservatives to think otherwise.


Most people can be independent. Not all. Just most. I myself can not be independent. But I consider myself an exception to the rule, rather than being what it should be measured by. And I believe most, not all, but most conservatives would agree that I am not able to be independent due to my obvious disabilities.

So is this a case of I have mine screw others.
I’m not physically disabled, most conservatives say I’m just lazy and want me off ssdi
Keep in mind most conservatives want to get rid of social security and say hey ezras don’t worry the churches will provide for you or that your family should.

Do you think I shouldn’t be in Ssdi?


I have no idea what your situation is as far as you being on ssdi goes.

I know mine is being like a small child who requires full time looking after and can go nowhere by myself.

I do not get you being anti-conservative and having. "Trump 2020!" in your sig.



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12 Sep 2019, 3:59 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Back to the original post - - today senate Republicans denied there was any threat to foreigners receiving medical care at hearings today, till they heard from children and adults who would be sent home to their deaths, and administration representatives who refused to answer questions and pissed off even Republicans like Lindsey Graham. Yes, Trump wants to send dark skinned foreigners to their deaths rather than helping them, and some Republicans even overcame their moral cowardice to speak out against it.


So if they were light skinned Bosnians they would be allowed to stay.


Hopefully, they'll all be allowed to stay now that those senatorial Republicans got majorly shamed on live TV.


That is not what I asked you. You are so slippery lol. You really should consider a career as a lawyer.



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12 Sep 2019, 4:03 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Back to the original post - - today senate Republicans denied there was any threat to foreigners receiving medical care at hearings today, till they heard from children and adults who would be sent home to their deaths, and administration representatives who refused to answer questions and pissed off even Republicans like Lindsey Graham. Yes, Trump wants to send dark skinned foreigners to their deaths rather than helping them, and some Republicans even overcame their moral cowardice to speak out against it.


So if they were light skinned Bosnians they would be allowed to stay.


Hopefully, they'll all be allowed to stay now that those senatorial Republicans got majorly shamed on live TV.


That is not what I asked you. You are so slippery lol. You really should consider a career as a lawyer.


Worse; I'm a writer.


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