[IMPORTANT] Hamas launches foot assault against settlements.

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17 Oct 2023, 4:01 pm

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You really ought to report islamophobia when you see it though. Islamophobia is hate, it is violence, and it should not be considered separate from the radical islamism you so frequently condemn.

Islamophobia is an irrational and hateful ideology, and radical islamism is an equally-irrational, equally-hateful response to it.

Islamophobia = Terrorism. Full stop. Islamophobia is terror and islamophobes are terrorists.

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Is Islamophobia the same as hating a skin colour?

I wouldn't say that islamophobia is racism (we have different words for a reason), but they are related diseases yes, and very often comorbid with each other.

It would probably be a headache for the mods as being anti-religion is allowed here, and it would be difficult to prove in most cases whether someone is anti-religion or if it goes much deeper.

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17 Oct 2023, 4:06 pm

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^ Btw this Hospital « Baptist Hospital » is a Christian institution.

So not only they fail to read « Press », they fail to see hospitals too.

This is a genocide: https://x.com/wtx_EU_news/status/171434 ... 08393?s=20

The IDF are claiming that the hospital wasn't a target and apparently investigating the explosion. I don't blame you if you don't believe them.

They'll probably say it was a Hamas rocket and have no way of proving it either way.

This is starting to look more like a genocide every day and I'm predicting that when the last Gazan is dead, Israeli history books will say that they were all killed by Hamas. The blood washes right off, doesn't it?

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17 Oct 2023, 4:09 pm

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No need to wash blood off of one's hands if they insist on maintaining a victim narrative, even as they're engaging in mass murder of civilians. As far as they're convinced, they have no blood on their hands in the first place.

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17 Oct 2023, 4:13 pm

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It's not uncommon for people to lose sight of the fact that we're all human beings when stereotypes and generalizations are so prevalent. Dehumanizing and demonizing the other is nothing new. I just think it's more accessible than it used to be.

Yes it's nothing new. The animosity against Jewish people is thousands of years old. The whole reason Abraham fled the babylonians is because thousands of years ago as his people were forced to flee. Their adherence to their faith is very old. It will continue to be a source of conflict with the Palestinians for centuries more after we are both long gone.

Dude ...you have your facts really messed up.

Abraham never "fled" anyone.

Abraham was basically on a business trip...he was probably a trader and nomad (like the Bedouin Arabs of today) who the Bible says "left Ur of the Chaldeans". Yes it was in Mesopotamia, but it was not "Babylon" but the city of Ur of the Assyrians (the other name for the Chaldeans).

The Bible doesnt say that the Assyrians persecuted him for his faith.

He didnt yet have the relgion to persecute until after his trip started. It wasnt until AFTER he left Assyrian Ur and was in the desert that God spoke to him and made the covenant with him. It was only then that he founded Judaism. Niether he, nor anyone else on the Planet, was Jewish before that moment.

Which is why Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, are together called "the Abrahamic faiths". They all trace their roots back to that moment AFTER started his business trip away from Ur.

AFAIK Jews were not really persecuted as Jews until after the destruction of the Temple and the Disaspora in around 100 AD (over two thousand years after Abraham is supposed to have lived).

Are you a historian btw?

Just an average Joe who took Hist. of Western Civ. 101.. Lol!

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17 Oct 2023, 4:16 pm

WHO calls what’s happening in Gaza a death sentence.
If someone kills my kids I have a right to seek justice with the murderer, that doesn't give me the right to slaughter their children and families in revenge.
All those dead children won’t bring the others back.
https://fortune.com/2023/10/17/gaza-hea ... srael/amp/

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17 Oct 2023, 4:26 pm

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I am inviting you to advise the Israeli government and see (hypothetically) if your idea would work in stopping the shelling of Israeli cities or rescue the hostages held by HAMAS.

I would advise them to worry about removing their dick from the hornet's nest, instead of hoping that a few more rounds of fierce pumping will pacify the hornets. No matter what they do they're going to continue to get stung, but only the former path might eventually lead to an end to the stinging.

The opportunity for doing that has passed. They can think about removing their dick from the hornets nest again once Hamas is eliminated.

Too bad Israel intentionally doesn't distinguish between Hamas and civilians, meaning all they're doing is further enraging the nest they insist on occupying.

But I'm sure that strategy will eventually work out for them, after every last civilian in Gaza has been murdered. :roll:

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17 Oct 2023, 4:27 pm

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Peterson was right on this one:

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSN6x1A7m/

Problem is, there’s no justice system among countries; the UN was supposed to play the role but effectively can’t.

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17 Oct 2023, 4:37 pm

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Is Islamophobia the same as hating a skin colour?

I wouldn't say that islamophobia is racism (we have different words for a reason), but they are related diseases yes, and very often comorbid with each other.

It would probably be a headache for the mods as being anti-religion is allowed here, and it would be difficult to prove in most cases whether someone is anti-religion or if it goes much deeper.

The thing about racists, is they're very good at following rules and making themselves unpunishable. If a moderator tells a racist that he isn't allowed to call me a towelhead, do you think the racist is gonna go be racist somewhere else? No, he's just gonna brainstorm new ways to hurt my feelings. Not really much the moderators can do about that, racists thrive on rules and hierarchies, the masters tools won't dismantle the master's house etc. etc.

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17 Oct 2023, 4:40 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

Peterson was right on this one:

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSN6x1A7m/

Problem is, there’s no justice system among countries; the UN was supposed to play the role but effectively can’t.

People used to fued in my culture.It could go on for generations.Lots of it happened after the Civil War.This was a border area and it was brother against brother.Split between the Union and Confederacy. The violence was worse after the war here.
I’m glad that tradition has died out here.

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17 Oct 2023, 4:56 pm

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If a moderator tells a racist that he isn't allowed to call me a towelhead, do you think the racist is gonna go be racist somewhere else? No, he's just gonna brainstorm new ways to hurt my feelings. Not really much the moderators can do about that, racists thrive on rules and hierarchies, the masters tools won't dismantle the master's house etc. etc.

I would hazzard a guess and say in your scenario, if it was a first offence the member would get a warning possibly even a temporary ban. Any further similar offences would be treated with a longer holiday or maybe a permaban. Racism is not tolerated on this forum and unfortunately as racism can be very nuanced it can be difficult to moderate.

I just saw your join date 2014 , you should know exactly how racism is dealt with here, admittedly there have been transitional periods but the current skeleton crew of mods do an excellent job in my opinion.

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17 Oct 2023, 5:47 pm

Apparently Israeli is trying misinformation again,
https://twitter.com/israelwarroom/statu ... 64373?s=21

Check the comments, it seems they are using old footage videos to prove that it was a hamas rocket misfire; a very price misfire hit it is, right.

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17 Oct 2023, 6:08 pm

^ Who or what is 'Israel War Room' , I don't do Twitter , do they have any official capacity apart from having a Twitter account?

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17 Oct 2023, 6:55 pm

Is this even confirmed?

In Australia the Israeli account is deemed accurate
https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-ea ... 163b6f75fe

Reported as Vision ‘proves’ rockets originated in Gaza"

The report suggests either
a. failed HAMAS launch from the roof of the hospital or nearby building OR
b. deliberate sabotage by HAMAS hitting their own people to discredit Israel

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17 Oct 2023, 7:02 pm

^ According to the article you posted:

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Vision, which has not been independently verified, is circulating online that Israelis say “proves” the blast was caused by a failed rocket strike launched from within Palestine.

Given that Israel has committed other atrocities against civilians in the current conflict and in the past, I don't think that bombing a hospital is too far out of character although it's impossible to say with 100% certainty one way or the other at this point.

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17 Oct 2023, 7:10 pm

^^ Have you watched this video from beginning to end?

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17 Oct 2023, 7:38 pm

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I didn't intend for my post to be read as a call-out of WP moderators or their policies, I think they're all perfectly fine people and they're doing the best anyone can reasonably expect.

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