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Persephone29 wrote:
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You are not going to like my response but here is my opinion. I would educate her as far as she can be educated and make her as independent as possible while accepting the harsh reality that she is more then likely not going to be hold a job and live on her own.


That is exactly what was done with me. And it was the right way to proceed.

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If this is possible....

Quite honestly I think all of the money that is used for therapy and mainstreaming and normalizing can be better spent just investing into some kind of trust fund. Even with therapy and all of this extra help the majority of us are unemployed even if we went to college.

I think he has the right idea. https://autismgadfly.blogspot.com/2009/ ... -help.html

My goal would be not for them to be employed but for your daughter to live at her own place being by her trust fund. Mainstreaming and trying to put them in competitive employment does not work for an autistic person.


Most of us with significant autism require a 24/7 caregiver. My living independently will mean moving into a room in a care home. That is the best I am able going to be able to manage as far as being on my own goes.


Dude, if you're in a care home you're not independent.



He's away from his parents. I'm not trying to be disrespectful to parents, but that's gotta be a plus.


It is a plus for them. They never suggested it. And did the whole "son are you sure this is what you want?" routine. But they and I know they are being set completely free at last. Has no effect on me really. I'll just be spending most of my time alone in my room in another house.



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12 Sep 2019, 4:28 am

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I don't believe that everyone can be independent. I think it is naive for conservatives to think otherwise.



I agree. And I am for disability benefits. But, it seems to me that once the initial decision is made and the check is issued, the case will never be in front of another worker again. I think it's naive to believe there's actually a group of people whose job it is to oversee whether or not a disabled person is able to survive on the small amount they are given. I believe the disability checks should be larger, at minimum $2,000/mo.

I have one little granddaughter with Autism who is non-verbal. She could really benefit from some one on one help, but Medicaid stopped paying for it and her check is so low it won't cover the therapy and allow for other needs.

I believe a very specialized service that can't be found anywhere else in the whole world should be made available on a case by case basis to certain families from other countries. But the idea of every person from South America saying they need to be in the US for Dialysis, is BS.

I believe that Welfare should be a set amount, for 12-18 mos with NO increase for dummies who keep having kids.


Actually it’s gets reviews every 5 years or less. 5 years is for permanent disability and they still review, I get mine every 4 years 11 months cause they know it’s permand can’t be cured but don’t want to put me in permanent. It’s hell every 5 years.


I think if they cut the amount of time freeloading ne'erdowells are on Welfare, they would be able to give the disabled an income more compatible with life. I don't classify good people who have fallen on hard times as ne'erdowells. I mean generational Welfare recipients whose aim it is to never get a job and scam the taxpayers.

I don't know what it even is, but 12-18 mos time limit, with say a minimum of 12 mos in between and no increase for baby's born without fathers listed on birth certificates. If the father claims the baby, they can have an increase. Or, even better, a $100/mo incentive for taking birth control and a negative pregnancy test.


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12 Sep 2019, 4:31 am

EzraS wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
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You are not going to like my response but here is my opinion. I would educate her as far as she can be educated and make her as independent as possible while accepting the harsh reality that she is more then likely not going to be hold a job and live on her own.


That is exactly what was done with me. And it was the right way to proceed.

cubedemon6073 wrote:
If this is possible....

Quite honestly I think all of the money that is used for therapy and mainstreaming and normalizing can be better spent just investing into some kind of trust fund. Even with therapy and all of this extra help the majority of us are unemployed even if we went to college.

I think he has the right idea. https://autismgadfly.blogspot.com/2009/ ... -help.html

My goal would be not for them to be employed but for your daughter to live at her own place being by her trust fund. Mainstreaming and trying to put them in competitive employment does not work for an autistic person.


Most of us with significant autism require a 24/7 caregiver. My living independently will mean moving into a room in a care home. That is the best I am able going to be able to manage as far as being on my own goes.


Dude, if you're in a care home you're not independent.



He's away from his parents. I'm not trying to be disrespectful to parents, but that's gotta be a plus.


It is a plus for them. They never suggested it. And did the whole "son are you sure this is what you want?" routine. But they and I know they are being set completely free at last. Has no effect on me really. I'll just be spending most of my time alone in my room in another house.


It's bound to feel great. The people who run it better be good to you or I will hop on a plane and kick their asses.


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12 Sep 2019, 4:32 am

Persephone29 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:

You are not going to like my response but here is my opinion. I would educate her as far as she can be educated and make her as independent as possible while accepting the harsh reality that she is more then likely not going to be hold a job and live on her own.


That is exactly what was done with me. And it was the right way to proceed.

cubedemon6073 wrote:
If this is possible....

Quite honestly I think all of the money that is used for therapy and mainstreaming and normalizing can be better spent just investing into some kind of trust fund. Even with therapy and all of this extra help the majority of us are unemployed even if we went to college.

I think he has the right idea. https://autismgadfly.blogspot.com/2009/ ... -help.html

My goal would be not for them to be employed but for your daughter to live at her own place being by her trust fund. Mainstreaming and trying to put them in competitive employment does not work for an autistic person.


Most of us with significant autism require a 24/7 caregiver. My living independently will mean moving into a room in a care home. That is the best I am able going to be able to manage as far as being on my own goes.


I'm totally fine with that. I would like it if she could communicate to her satisfaction, she gets frustrated now. She understands everything we say to her, follows directions. She's wonderful and the sweetest kid ever. :heart:


I liked what you said about very bright but locked in. Such a good way to put it. I didn't have a real breakthrough until I was half way into 8 years old. Not being able to communicate at all is mega-frustrating. Is her twin able intercede/interpret for her? My "twin" cousin I was raised with had a nack for it. Came in handy.



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12 Sep 2019, 4:50 am

EzraS wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:

You are not going to like my response but here is my opinion. I would educate her as far as she can be educated and make her as independent as possible while accepting the harsh reality that she is more then likely not going to be hold a job and live on her own.


That is exactly what was done with me. And it was the right way to proceed.

cubedemon6073 wrote:
If this is possible....

Quite honestly I think all of the money that is used for therapy and mainstreaming and normalizing can be better spent just investing into some kind of trust fund. Even with therapy and all of this extra help the majority of us are unemployed even if we went to college.

I think he has the right idea. https://autismgadfly.blogspot.com/2009/ ... -help.html

My goal would be not for them to be employed but for your daughter to live at her own place being by her trust fund. Mainstreaming and trying to put them in competitive employment does not work for an autistic person.


Most of us with significant autism require a 24/7 caregiver. My living independently will mean moving into a room in a care home. That is the best I am able going to be able to manage as far as being on my own goes.


I'm totally fine with that. I would like it if she could communicate to her satisfaction, she gets frustrated now. She understands everything we say to her, follows directions. She's wonderful and the sweetest kid ever. :heart:


I liked what you said about very bright but locked in. Such a good way to put it. I didn't have a real breakthrough until I was half way into 8 years old. Not being able to communicate at all is mega-frustrating. Is her twin able intercede/interpret for her? My "twin" cousin I was raised with had a nack for it. Came in handy.


We all pretty much know how to interpret Emily's needs. If she's hungry, she'll run back and forth to the kitchen. I can pick her up and hold her at the different levels of the fridge or cabinet and she'll point or occasionally say, "some." I keep a cup full for her, I stay worried about hydration because she's very tiny. She will not communicate something she does not like to engage in, like potty training. It's just hit or miss. She likes massages and will hold her limbs out for them. She loves to draw. I can ask her to say 'Grandpa' and she will. But, it's more of a mimic. She would never walk up to someone and initiate a conversation. She will say NO, and or have a fit if we are teaching her a new skill. She hated trying to learn sign language, yet she could remember the signs and use them many months later. She could decide she didn't feel like mimicking a word, but you'd hear here say it in another room 30 minutes later, all alone. She's just a really neat and unique kid. :heart:


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You do it then... or Canada. Y'all have a lot more space for the kinds of numbers of people you want saved.


Not sure about Canada but Australia is a dry uninhabitable continent with only the thin coastal regions being able to sustain large populations.



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Another interesting thing that she does is she will 'talk' to herself in the mirror, or what passes for talking to Emily. But she will not engage in conversation with another, face to face.

When she was 18 mos old, she would take a mirror and shine the reflection on the ceiling. She knew she was making it happen and she would laugh. She's light years ahead of her twin in some respects, but in developmental milestones, she's not. She could solve a little ball bearing puzzle, with complex twists and turns. But cannot have a conversation.


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12 Sep 2019, 5:05 am

Persephone29 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:

You are not going to like my response but here is my opinion. I would educate her as far as she can be educated and make her as independent as possible while accepting the harsh reality that she is more then likely not going to be hold a job and live on her own.


That is exactly what was done with me. And it was the right way to proceed.

cubedemon6073 wrote:
If this is possible....

Quite honestly I think all of the money that is used for therapy and mainstreaming and normalizing can be better spent just investing into some kind of trust fund. Even with therapy and all of this extra help the majority of us are unemployed even if we went to college.

I think he has the right idea. https://autismgadfly.blogspot.com/2009/ ... -help.html

My goal would be not for them to be employed but for your daughter to live at her own place being by her trust fund. Mainstreaming and trying to put them in competitive employment does not work for an autistic person.


Most of us with significant autism require a 24/7 caregiver. My living independently will mean moving into a room in a care home. That is the best I am able going to be able to manage as far as being on my own goes.


I'm totally fine with that. I would like it if she could communicate to her satisfaction, she gets frustrated now. She understands everything we say to her, follows directions. She's wonderful and the sweetest kid ever. :heart:


I liked what you said about very bright but locked in. Such a good way to put it. I didn't have a real breakthrough until I was half way into 8 years old. Not being able to communicate at all is mega-frustrating. Is her twin able intercede/interpret for her? My "twin" cousin I was raised with had a nack for it. Came in handy.


We all pretty much know how to interpret Emily's needs. If she's hungry, she'll run back and forth to the kitchen. I can pick her up and hold her at the different levels of the fridge or cabinet and she'll point or occasionally say, "some." I keep a cup full for her, I stay worried about hydration because she's very tiny. She will not communicate something she does not like to engage in, like potty training. It's just hit or miss. She likes massages and will hold her limbs out for them. She loves to draw. I can ask her to say 'Grandpa' and she will. But, it's more of a mimic. She would never walk up to someone and initiate a conversation. She will say NO, and or have a fit if we are teaching her a new skill. She hated trying to learn sign language, yet she could remember the signs and use them many months later. She could decide she didn't feel like mimicking a word, but you'd hear here say it in another room 30 minutes later, all alone. She's just a really neat and unique kid. :heart:


Even after all this time and speech therapy all I really do is mimick or recite. Forget a regular verbal convention. But as you know a lot can be said using few words.



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You do it then... or Canada. Y'all have a lot more space for the kinds of numbers of people you want saved.


Not sure about Canada but Australia is a dry uninhabitable continent with only the thin coastal regions being able to sustain large populations.



That's fine. But you shouldn't tell countries who have every square inch spoken for that they should be taking on the woes of the world. Your systems work for you because you will never be entirely over populated. Say what you will about the climate of the Outback, but you know that land IS inhabitable. As is the Arctic, the aboriginals have been doing it for hundreds, perhaps thousands of years. But, it's not EASY. And it's not my business what's easy, it's my business what's doable. And we know it's doable because people are doing it.

So, it's safe to say that I resent someone like you telling me that I must cram my country cheek and jowl, when you will never know cheek and jowl.


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12 Sep 2019, 5:13 am

EzraS wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:

You are not going to like my response but here is my opinion. I would educate her as far as she can be educated and make her as independent as possible while accepting the harsh reality that she is more then likely not going to be hold a job and live on her own.


That is exactly what was done with me. And it was the right way to proceed.

cubedemon6073 wrote:
If this is possible....

Quite honestly I think all of the money that is used for therapy and mainstreaming and normalizing can be better spent just investing into some kind of trust fund. Even with therapy and all of this extra help the majority of us are unemployed even if we went to college.

I think he has the right idea. https://autismgadfly.blogspot.com/2009/ ... -help.html

My goal would be not for them to be employed but for your daughter to live at her own place being by her trust fund. Mainstreaming and trying to put them in competitive employment does not work for an autistic person.


Most of us with significant autism require a 24/7 caregiver. My living independently will mean moving into a room in a care home. That is the best I am able going to be able to manage as far as being on my own goes.


I'm totally fine with that. I would like it if she could communicate to her satisfaction, she gets frustrated now. She understands everything we say to her, follows directions. She's wonderful and the sweetest kid ever. :heart:


I liked what you said about very bright but locked in. Such a good way to put it. I didn't have a real breakthrough until I was half way into 8 years old. Not being able to communicate at all is mega-frustrating. Is her twin able intercede/interpret for her? My "twin" cousin I was raised with had a nack for it. Came in handy.


We all pretty much know how to interpret Emily's needs. If she's hungry, she'll run back and forth to the kitchen. I can pick her up and hold her at the different levels of the fridge or cabinet and she'll point or occasionally say, "some." I keep a cup full for her, I stay worried about hydration because she's very tiny. She will not communicate something she does not like to engage in, like potty training. It's just hit or miss. She likes massages and will hold her limbs out for them. She loves to draw. I can ask her to say 'Grandpa' and she will. But, it's more of a mimic. She would never walk up to someone and initiate a conversation. She will say NO, and or have a fit if we are teaching her a new skill. She hated trying to learn sign language, yet she could remember the signs and use them many months later. She could decide she didn't feel like mimicking a word, but you'd hear here say it in another room 30 minutes later, all alone. She's just a really neat and unique kid. :heart:


Even after all this time and speech therapy all I really do is mimick or recite. Forget a regular verbal convention. But as you know a lot can be said using few words.



That gives me hope. As long as I know she can be heard in some way, by sign or writing, or something.


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You do it then... or Canada. Y'all have a lot more space for the kinds of numbers of people you want saved.


Not sure about Canada but Australia is a dry uninhabitable continent with only the thin coastal regions being able to sustain large populations.



That's fine. But you shouldn't tell countries who have every square inch spoken for that they should be taking on the woes of the world. Your systems work for you because you will never be entirely over populated. Say what you will about the climate of the Outback, but you know that land IS inhabitable. As is the Arctic, the aboriginals have been doing it for hundreds, perhaps thousands of years. But, it's not EASY. And it's not my business what's easy, it's my business what's doable. And we know it's doable because people are doing it.

So, it's safe to say that I resent someone like you telling me that I must cram my country cheek and jowl, when you will never know cheek and jowl.


On the issue of immigration I advocate population control and protection of natural environments so I prefer to invest in keeping developing countries prosperous and happy so that they don't have to leave/emigrate. Australia is already past sustainable levels for major capital cities and so I have no problem restricting immigration intake so long as there are valid alternatives for refugees.



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You do it then... or Canada. Y'all have a lot more space for the kinds of numbers of people you want saved.


Not sure about Canada but Australia is a dry uninhabitable continent with only the thin coastal regions being able to sustain large populations.



That's fine. But you shouldn't tell countries who have every square inch spoken for that they should be taking on the woes of the world. Your systems work for you because you will never be entirely over populated. Say what you will about the climate of the Outback, but you know that land IS inhabitable. As is the Arctic, the aboriginals have been doing it for hundreds, perhaps thousands of years. But, it's not EASY. And it's not my business what's easy, it's my business what's doable. And we know it's doable because people are doing it.

So, it's safe to say that I resent someone like you telling me that I must cram my country cheek and jowl, when you will never know cheek and jowl.


On the issue of immigration I advocate population control and protection of natural environments so I prefer to invest in keeping developing countries prosperous and happy so that they don't have to leave/emigrate. Australia is already past sustainable levels for major capital cities and so I have no problem restricting immigration intake so long as there are valid alternatives for refugees.


Would 'valid' alternatives simply mean some other country? Our lands are all spoken for, as well. Either owned by ranchers, reservations or National Parks. As it stands now, California's skid row is bumper to bumper tents from unchecked, illegal immigration. So, we're full. Let's see... who can we foist them off onto? We could send them to Siberia, oh wait, Russia doesn't welcome immigrants. How about China? No, don't like their conversion camps? You're 'full' and only 700,000 aboriginals inhabit the majority of your land mass. Despite the fact that it's desert, full of Camels, snakes and craters, so it should feel just like home. Canada is cold, so refugees fleeing for their lives might be disgruntled. Gee, I don't really see a lot of options. So, send money to the countries and tell them to stay home. Or, take a full scale ARMY in and round up all the cartel. Either way, sweep your own doorstep. You say ugly things about other countries, while claiming the need to preserve natural resources from millions of square miles inhabited by roughly 10% of Australia's population. Must be nice to know what everyone else should be doing while protecting your own.

I appreciate this conversation. From now on, when I see you talking smack about saving everyone, I'll remember it. :roll: :roll:


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I think China's one child policy was a great idea and should have been applied in places like South America and India.

Developing countries do have obligations to donor countries and this includes good stable democratic government, responsible family planning and environmental protection.

The problem is the US seems to be propping up dictatorships all over the world on the pretext of stamping out communism or socialism. Not sure how these countries can fulfill these aspirations when their people are barely making ends meet.



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Like I have said before. With conservatives I see practicality. With liberals I see idealism.


I don't buy this. I see conservatives as being the idealists especially with the idea that anyone and everyone has choices, can always make the correct choices and one's circumstances is solely depended upon the choices one makes. They have this ideal that we're in control over our lives when that control is limited. Conservatives are in love this philosophy even when presented information that contradicts this.


From what I have seen it is being said that usually people have choices to make. Like for example the choice to leave for work on time or not. Usually getting to work on time is determined by one's choice to leave on time.

Your rubttal to that is to view it as an absolute. And then come with a string of plot holes such as, what if your alarm clock malfunctions, or you get a flat tire, or you're struck by a meteor and so on. Showing how one has no real control.

But in reality most of the time the decision to leave for work on time, gets you to work on time.


Yet, other conservatives refuse to acknowledge these plot holes. That's the problem. They don't even accept the plot holes exist. And, that's the issue with personal responsibility. The idea that our circumstances are determined by our choices when a lot of times other mitigating factors come into play.



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Typical of conservatives to run away like holy water on vampires when their beliefs are questioned.



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Typical of conservatives to run away like holy water on vampires when their beliefs are questioned.

People have all sorts of excuses why they can't do something.

You can choose to have personal responsibility or blame others.

If EVER you find yourself blaming someone else, just think about how YOU could of changed your behavior to have avoided the situation.
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