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17 Oct 2023, 7:53 pm

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17 Oct 2023, 8:27 pm

I would wait to hear what the Americans say about surveillance footage
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_ ... tal-blast/

Biden is pushing to investigate
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/wo ... 018-p5ed4k



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17 Oct 2023, 8:30 pm

The Times of Israel is extremely biased at the moment. It's hard to say based on that footage alone. It needs to be confirmed by outside sources. If they didn't cause it, it still doesn't excuse other atrocities they are committing, so it wouldn't change my general opinion all that much.

Since the American government is taking Israel's side, they aren't exactly a neutral party, either.


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17 Oct 2023, 8:45 pm

TwilightPrincess wrote:
The Times of Israel is extremely biased at the moment. It's hard to say based on that footage alone. It needs to be confirmed by outside sources. If they didn't cause it, it still doesn't excuse other atrocities they are committing, so it wouldn't change my general opinion all that much.

Since the American government is taking Israel's side, they aren't exactly a neutral party, either.


So you would rather believe HAMAS? (note: I am not accusing, only posing the question)



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17 Oct 2023, 8:52 pm

cyberdad wrote:
TwilightPrincess wrote:
The Times of Israel is extremely biased at the moment. It's hard to say based on that footage alone. It needs to be confirmed by outside sources. If they didn't cause it, it still doesn't excuse other atrocities they are committing, so it wouldn't change my general opinion all that much.

Since the American government is taking Israel's side, they aren't exactly a neutral party, either.


So you would rather believe HAMAS? (note: I am not accusing, only posing the question)
I’ve said many times that everyone directly involved in this situation is an a**hole who has committed atrocities. I think this particular incident would be more likely due to the IDF, but I can’t know for sure one way or the other. Even if Hamas was responsible in some way for this specific attack, they weren’t for others.

I strive to have a balanced, critical outlook although it’s impossible to be completely free of bias.


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17 Oct 2023, 10:14 pm

i wanna be a good American ...obviousy . :twisted:
i should have invested in Raytheon or Locheed stock st the beginning of the War. Coulda made big money.. :jester:
Its the American Way ....all at the cost of Human Life life. :ninja: But You can bet our governments Politicians bet big in the stock market on this War ..( too much money aint enough) if your a Politik..Next election has to be funded .
(Written with a Skeptical eye towards truth) :(


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17 Oct 2023, 11:07 pm

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^ Btw this Hospital « Baptist Hospital » is a Christian institution.

So not only they fail to read « Press », they fail to see hospitals too.


This is a genocide: https://x.com/wtx_EU_news/status/171434 ... 08393?s=20

Judging by this Reuters story, it is unclear who bombed the hospital. Both sides are blaming the other. An Israeli spokesperson claims to have evidence it was an accidental misfire by Hamas. Let's wait and see.


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18 Oct 2023, 12:26 am

Mona Pereth wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^ Btw this Hospital « Baptist Hospital » is a Christian institution.

So not only they fail to read « Press », they fail to see hospitals too.


This is a genocide: https://x.com/wtx_EU_news/status/171434 ... 08393?s=20

Judging by this Reuters story, it is unclear who bombed the hospital. Both sides are blaming the other. An Israeli spokesperson claims to have evidence it was an accidental misfire by Hamas. Let's wait and see.


I'm sceptical, I googled Lieutenant-Colonel Jonathan Conricus and in his interview on CNN said the evidence was authentic and very telling. Why would you say the evidence you are presenting is authentic - I smell a rat.


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18 Oct 2023, 12:32 am

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ndDFCLnBShA



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18 Oct 2023, 1:09 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ndDFCLnBShA


It's a scary world when the war battlefield is also social media and you can't believe what you see or read on the internet and have to fact-check it (which is impossible for certain things). How long before certain governments label people who check facts conspiracy theorists?


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18 Oct 2023, 1:35 am

TwilightPrincess wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
TwilightPrincess wrote:
The Times of Israel is extremely biased at the moment. It's hard to say based on that footage alone. It needs to be confirmed by outside sources. If they didn't cause it, it still doesn't excuse other atrocities they are committing, so it wouldn't change my general opinion all that much.

Since the American government is taking Israel's side, they aren't exactly a neutral party, either.


So you would rather believe HAMAS? (note: I am not accusing, only posing the question)
I’ve said many times that everyone directly involved in this situation is an as*hole who has committed atrocities. I think this particular incident would be more likely due to the IDF, but I can’t know for sure one way or the other. Even if Hamas was responsible in some way for this specific attack, they weren’t for others.

I strive to have a balanced, critical outlook although it’s impossible to be completely free of bias.



I kind of agree like Israel reasponds to Hamas doing wrong by committing atrocities themselves against civilians. And also I don't believe in a nation that cannot be questioned...like isn't that kind of thinking dangerous? I think both sides are wrong, and it's not even the people of Israel all per say, like I feel just as bad for all the civilians getting killed there as the ones being killed in palestine....it's just over-all a nasty conflict. And just all the people trying to live their lives getting killed in it is upsetting.

Idk maybe the leaders of each side should fight it out instead of sending so many people out to die. but I realize that probably wont work idk.


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18 Oct 2023, 1:40 am

I've now seen another news article claiming that the Palestinian Islamic Jihad group (PIJ) might be responsible for the hospital bombing. But it's the only article so far that I've seen claiming this:

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/israel-gaza-palestine-hamas-explained-what-is-islamic-jihad-group-blamed-by-israel-for-gaza-hospital-bombing-4491459



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18 Oct 2023, 2:25 am

He’s too ideal in that last bit, history is written by the
victors

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSN6GfPTM/



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18 Oct 2023, 2:42 am

Jono wrote:
I've now seen another news article claiming that the Palestinian Islamic Jihad group (PIJ) might be responsible for the hospital bombing. But it's the only article so far that I've seen claiming this:

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/israel-gaza-palestine-hamas-explained-what-is-islamic-jihad-group-blamed-by-israel-for-gaza-hospital-bombing-4491459



News and stories change so fast and and each new story floods the internet to the point it becomes impossible to find the earlier stories.

But what I recall I have seen from news outlets:
1- Israel warned that it will bomb the hospital but the staff refused to leave their duty
2- Then Israel claimed that the hospital harbords weapons or terrorists

Then it seems they had an oops moment, lot of kids died and the media is shifting against them, so time for a new story:
3- Then story changed: Hamas' misfired .

Then the videos of the claimed of misfired hamas' rocket got exposed as old and fake, so it's time for a new more convincing story:
4- Evil Islamic Jihad conspiracy.


No investigation on ground took place yet and Israel is already being conclusive.


Yup, let's wait and see.



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18 Oct 2023, 2:45 am

What a gentleman.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CybIHils ... FlZA%3D%3D



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18 Oct 2023, 2:48 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Jono wrote:
I've now seen another news article claiming that the Palestinian Islamic Jihad group (PIJ) might be responsible for the hospital bombing. But it's the only article so far that I've seen claiming this:

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/israel-gaza-palestine-hamas-explained-what-is-islamic-jihad-group-blamed-by-israel-for-gaza-hospital-bombing-4491459



News and stories change so fast and and each new story floods the internet to the point it becomes impossible to find the earlier stories.

But what I recall I have seen from news outlets:
1- Israel warned that it will bomb the hospital but the staff refused to leave their duty
2- Then Israel claimed that the hospital harbords weapons or terrorists

Then it seems they had an oops moment, lot of kids died and the media is shifting against them, so time for a new story:
3- Then story changed: Hamas' misfired .

Then the videos of the claimed of misfired hamas' rocket got exposed as old and fake, so it's time for a new more convincing story:
4- Evil Islamic Jihad conspiracy.


No investigation on ground took place yet and Israel is already being conclusive.


Yup, let's wait and see.


So, how do we find the sources of these stories? Even mainstream news outlets are repeating them.