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02 Jun 2020, 4:40 pm

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Las Vegas: Rioter shoots police officer in the head from behind. The officer is on life support.

Well as the protesters say “only good cops a dead cop” :cry:


Murdering police isn't going to benefit any cause. In a situation like this I'm not bothered by people using force to defend themselves from police use of force, but it's not possible to justify sneaking up behind someone who (from the sounds of things) wasn't posing an imminent threat to anyone's well-being and killing them.

I can understand why people might be motivated towards violent rhetoric if they and most of their ancestors had to deal with dehumanizing institutional racism, but why should any one individual bear the brunt of one's rage towards a systemic problem that no one person can possibly be responsible? And further, if you're dead set on doing that, unfortunately there's a good chance with a bit of patience one is likely to witness a situation that will make that act an act in the defence of another instead just a cold-blooded killing.

I'm willing to make the case that there may well be hypothetical situations where such actions are justified. I don't believe I've heard of one of those situations being connected to the killing of an officer so far. Harming random cops because the murderous cops often face no punishment really isn't justice.


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02 Jun 2020, 4:44 pm

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So, back on topic; the independent autopsy report into the killing of George Floyd returned results that are at odds with the county examiner's report, but much more consistent with what the video shows. The independent report describes the cause of death as asphyxia due to neck and back compression in contrast with the county's autopsy which returned no findings to support traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.


https://globalnews.ca/news/7012541/asph ... d-autopsy/
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... d-1008625/
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/86721913 ... y-asphyxia


This has been splashed all over the Australian news this morning.

While Trump is hiding in the whitehouse with his lights switched off drawing plans to attack Antifa he seems to have ignored

1) George Floyd is now officially been murdered by the police
2) Chauvin's 3rd degree should now be upgraded to first degree as there is evidence Chauvin knew Floyd and worked together and this may have been payback
3) the three Asian cops who stood around should be charged as accomplices (one of these idiots tried to tazer a member of the public)
4) The police medical coroner should be charged with fraud and being an accomplice to murder
5) the entire Minneapolis police force should be investigated by the FBI
6) the entire US police force should be bought into line with the rest of the civilised world with regard to human rights
7) police forces in other countries should also be purged of psychopaths (we have aboriginal deaths in custody here in Australia where nobody in the force is charged)


I agree with all 7 of your points.

Right now, the protests/riots are pure emotion without logic. There haven't been any concrete or unified demands and there hasn't been dialogue on how to fix the problems. Nothing will change until there can be rational discussions and rational change that ends up being positive for everyone. You are laying out actual points worth implementing and acting on. That's how positive change can happen.

Your points would hopefully bring a positive outcome in the end.

There also must be rule of law in civilized society. That rule of law should be fair and just and applied to all equally. That's hasn't happened yet in the history of the U.S. That absolutely does need to change.

Read the definitions of 1st, 2nd and 3rd degree murder in Minnesotan law. You'd never get anything above 3rd to stick. 3rd is the correct charge imo.


Careful who you're calling a moron when you're insisting that they can't prove intention with a perp who intentionally put someone in a hold that has the potential to cause death and held it for nearly 9 minutes. If they can't get a conviction for 2nd degree murder the prosecutor needs debarred for incompetence.

A lot of things have the potential to cause death. You have to be able to prove beyond doubt the intent was to cause death.


He clearly intended to cause harm and he understood death was guaranteed.

That said, if the courts fail to deliver justice I'm sure his new friends in general populace will ensure it occurs. I'm sure the cause of death will be ruled 'due to pre-existing health conditions and any potential intoxicants ingested' and will ignore the clear evidence of trauma and the pink tube sock dangling from the backdoor. I prefer my justice poetic.


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02 Jun 2020, 4:46 pm

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Take notice how certain people here just ignore any of the cops killed, shot or hurt.


I'm imagining that's directed at me. Individual police serving and protecting are doing their job. It's a tragedy for both the officer and his family.

The majority of protestors are directing their anger at the institutions that seem to protect the few rogue cops who give the policeforce a bad name (you find them everywhere)

Rioters who break the law need to face their consequences like anyone else. Nobody should be carrying loaded weapons, whether antifa or militia or random gun nut since the identity of the perpetrator hasn't been identified.



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02 Jun 2020, 5:02 pm

sly279 wrote:
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Las Vegas: Rioter shoots police officer in the head from behind. The officer is on life support.

Well as the protesters say “only good cops a dead cop” :cry:


Are you saying that hostility would be the a better approach than constructive criticism in the case of a few cops I have known for many years before they decided to become a cop?



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02 Jun 2020, 5:28 pm

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Las Vegas: Rioter shoots police officer in the head from behind. The officer is on life support.

Well as the protesters say “only good cops a dead cop” :cry:


Are you saying that hostility would be the a better approach than constructive criticism in the case of a few cops I have known for many years before they decided to become a cop?


What? I’m saying it’s wrong but you won’t see many on wp giving a s**t that cops were murdered. You won’t see any of the protesters caring either.

I’ll never attend a protest that calls for cops to be killed it’s disgusting.
But you hear it at every single blm protest
f**k the police
Only good cop is a dead cop
What do you want... dead cops
Chanted as they march through the streets attacking any people or cars that get in their way.

And while they chant they throw bricks and other objects at cops and spit on them then act all surprised when the police shoot gas at them to get them to back the f**k off.
If at any other time someone spat on or through something at a officer they’d get arrested for asault. Or if they did that to any person


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02 Jun 2020, 5:34 pm

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Bravo5150 wrote:
sly279 wrote:
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Las Vegas: Rioter shoots police officer in the head from behind. The officer is on life support.

Well as the protesters say “only good cops a dead cop” :cry:


Are you saying that hostility would be the a better approach than constructive criticism in the case of a few cops I have known for many years before they decided to become a cop?


What? I’m saying it’s wrong but you won’t see many on wp giving a s**t that cops were murdered. You won’t see any of the protesters caring either.

I’ll never attend a protest that calls for cops to be killed it’s disgusting.
But you hear it at every single blm protest
f**k the police
Only good cop is a dead cop
What do you want... dead cops
Chanted as they march through the streets attacking any people or cars that get in their way.

And while they chant they throw bricks and other objects at cops and spit on them then act all surprised when the police shoot gas at them to get them to back the f**k off.
If at any other time someone spat on or through something at a officer they’d get arrested for asault. Or if they did that to any person



I took it to be your personal opinion when you simply said that the only good cop was a dead cop and failed to indicate that you disagree with that idea.



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02 Jun 2020, 6:05 pm

Bravo5150 wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Bravo5150 wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Magna wrote:
Las Vegas: Rioter shoots police officer in the head from behind. The officer is on life support.

Well as the protesters say “only good cops a dead cop” :cry:


Are you saying that hostility would be the a better approach than constructive criticism in the case of a few cops I have known for many years before they decided to become a cop?


What? I’m saying it’s wrong but you won’t see many on wp giving a s**t that cops were murdered. You won’t see any of the protesters caring either.

I’ll never attend a protest that calls for cops to be killed it’s disgusting.
But you hear it at every single blm protest
f**k the police
Only good cop is a dead cop
What do you want... dead cops
Chanted as they march through the streets attacking any people or cars that get in their way.

And while they chant they throw bricks and other objects at cops and spit on them then act all surprised when the police shoot gas at them to get them to back the f**k off.
If at any other time someone spat on or through something at a officer they’d get arrested for asault. Or if they did that to any person



I took it to be your personal opinion when you simply said that the only good cop was a dead cop and failed to indicate that you disagree with that idea.


I thought the crying face made it clear I disagreed.


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02 Jun 2020, 6:08 pm

Sly is one of the most anti-violent, gentle and logical people I know. He's posted many times that he's upset about George Floyd's murder, and he supports protests, but he doesn't believe the protesters should be violent or destructive.

That's not his character whatsoever.

(( Sly ))


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02 Jun 2020, 6:09 pm

sly279 wrote:
Bravo5150 wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Bravo5150 wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Magna wrote:
Las Vegas: Rioter shoots police officer in the head from behind. The officer is on life support.

Well as the protesters say “only good cops a dead cop” :cry:


Are you saying that hostility would be the a better approach than constructive criticism in the case of a few cops I have known for many years before they decided to become a cop?


What? I’m saying it’s wrong but you won’t see many on wp giving a s**t that cops were murdered. You won’t see any of the protesters caring either.

I’ll never attend a protest that calls for cops to be killed it’s disgusting.
But you hear it at every single blm protest
f**k the police
Only good cop is a dead cop
What do you want... dead cops
Chanted as they march through the streets attacking any people or cars that get in their way.

And while they chant they throw bricks and other objects at cops and spit on them then act all surprised when the police shoot gas at them to get them to back the f**k off.
If at any other time someone spat on or through something at a officer they’d get arrested for asault. Or if they did that to any person



I took it to be your personal opinion when you simply said that the only good cop was a dead cop and failed to indicate that you disagree with that idea.


I thought the crying face made it clear I disagreed.


Sorry, I missed that detail.



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02 Jun 2020, 6:09 pm

I feel like the vast majority of cops are decent people. The few who are idiots make it bad for the rest of them.

I concur with Isabella in her assessment of Sly.



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02 Jun 2020, 6:52 pm

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I feel like the vast majority of cops are decent people. The few who are idiots make it bad for the rest of them.

I concur with Isabella in her assessment of Sly.


Maybe I miss his points when he says the opposite of what he actually means.



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02 Jun 2020, 7:04 pm

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The same Donald Trump retweeting a video of a white racist with a CATIFA t-shirt slashing a boy on a skateboard
https://theintercept.com/2020/05/31/tru ... te-victim/

The racist was brutally beaten for attacking protestors with machete.

Trump seems to be making himself into a public nuisance instead of a leader


What’s CATIFA?


It's an alt-right symbol for "radical cat" like pepe the frog



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02 Jun 2020, 7:08 pm

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I feel like the vast majority of cops are decent people. The few who are idiots make it bad for the rest of them.


The question is how many idiots? the problem is the "blue line code" where the majority are decent but turn a blind eye



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02 Jun 2020, 7:20 pm

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Sly is one of the most anti-violent, gentle and logical people I know. He's posted many times that he's upset about George Floyd's murder, and he supports protests, but he doesn't believe the protesters should be violent or destructive.

That's not his character whatsoever.

(( Sly ))


I'd challenge logical, but besides that I'd agree with your assessment. For whatever attitudes I'd criticize, I don't believe they'd ever lead him to directly advocate for violence (at most he might turn a blind eye and I won't criticize folks for doing that for the most part).


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02 Jun 2020, 7:24 pm

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I feel like the vast majority of cops are decent people. The few who are idiots make it bad for the rest of them.

I concur with Isabella in her assessment of Sly.


Maybe I miss his points when he says the opposite of what he actually means.

I stated what the protests say. Not my fault if you misread that


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02 Jun 2020, 7:39 pm

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I'd challenge logical, but besides that I'd agree with your assessment. For whatever attitudes I'd criticize, I don't believe they'd ever lead him to directly advocate for violence (at most he might turn a blind eye and I won't criticize folks for doing that for the most part).


He's very logical about world history and American politics. I may not have the same views about gun ownership, I don't know much about American politics at all, and we may have differing opinions on some topics, but he backs up his claims with factual statistics and information. It's a well known problem on here. Sometimes our jokes are taken literally but they are meant to be ironic.


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