Emergence of a Deadly Coronavirus
Well there was another interesting development in the coronavirus.
There was a 40 year old woman in Japan who was a tour bus operator and ferried passengers from a cruise ship. Apparently one of her cruise passengers was infected and then the woman's 80+ year old mother-in-law contracted the virus and died. She was Japan's first fatality. The younger woman was then tested and she tested positive for the disease and was hospitalized. She recovered and went home. But several weeks later she was readmitted after having a sore throat and chest pains. She was retested and it was confirmed she had the coronavirus again.
This is very troubling. It sort of blows a big whole into the concept of a futuristic vaccine capable of protecting someone for this coronavirus.
“Once you have the infection, it could remain dormant and with minimal symptoms, and then you can get an exacerbation if it finds its way into the lungs,” said Philip Tierno Jr., professor of microbiology and pathology at NYU School of Medicine. “I’m not certain that this is not bi-phasic, like anthrax,” Tierno Jr. said in regards to the disease being able to go away before reappearing.
So with all things uncertainty prevails. Is this anomaly just a one-off or is it a disturbing characteristic of this particular coronavirus?
Well in another article, this secondary infection anomaly is also being observed in China. About 14 percent of patients discharged in the province later tested positive for the virus again during follow-up examinations. I think that the perception is that people are being cleared too soon. That even though the symptoms may have subsided, they have not completely gotten over the illness. Patients in China who contract the virus, known as COVID-19, must test negative twice and undergo a chest scan before they can be released from hospital care.
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Coronavirus Live Updates: New Cases Light Up the Map as Nations Brace for Outbreaks
U.S. stocks had a depressed opening, losing about 2 percent, in an echo of general losses in European and Asian markets.
Federal rules delayed testing of a California patient.
A person in California who was not exposed to anyone known to be infected with the coronavirus, and who had not traveled to countries where it is circulating, had to wait days to be tested because of restrictive federal criteria, despite doctors’ suggestions.
The patient, who has tested positive, may be the first person to be infected through community spread in the United States, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Wednesday
Doctors at the University of California, Davis Medical Center considered the novel pathogen a possible diagnosis when the person was first admitted last week.
But the C.D.C. has restricted testing to patients who either traveled to China recently or who know they had contact with someone infected with the coronavirus.
The C.D.C. could not be immediately reached for comment.
The new case, in which the source of infection is unknown, is cause for concern, experts said.
“That would suggest there are other undetected cases out there, and we have already started some low-grade transmission,” said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University.
Wall Street opens lower, again.
U.S. stock markets opened about 2 percent lower on Thursday as investors continued to dump stocks and seek safer investments amid the widening coronavirus outbreak.
The fall followed a slide among other global markets. European stocks were trading about 2.5 percent lower after the Nikkei in Japan closed down 2.1 percent. Oil prices also fell, while the price of gold rose, signaling continued nervousness among global investors.
Shares in China bucked the general trend, with Shanghai rising 0.1 percent. Regulators and government-controlled investors often step in to help the country’s stock market in troubled times.
The outbreak has taken a toll on multinational companies. On Thursday, Anheuser-Busch InBev joined the chorus, as the brewer forecast a steep drop in quarterly profit. Marriott, the American hotel company, said the virus would weigh on its fee revenue this year.
Companies have scaled back their travel. The French cosmetics giant L’Oréal on Thursday suspended all business travel for its 86,000 employees until the end of March. Nestlé, the Swiss-based food company, said it would suspend all international business trips for its 290,000 workers until mid-March.
Japan moves to close all of its schools to contain the virus.
Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on Thursday asked all of Japan’s schools to close for a month to help contain the spread of the coronavirus. The country is the second, after China, to shutter schools nationwide over the epidemic.
Speaking before a coronavirus task force meeting on Thursday, Mr. Abe said he was “putting a priority on children’s health and safety” and trying to pre-empt a widespread outbreak that could result “from gatherings of many children and teachers for a long time on a daily basis.”
The number of coronavirus cases has steadily risen in Japan, reaching 186, including four deaths. There have also been more than 700 cases and four deaths from a cruise ship docked in Yokohama, Japan.
Mr. Abe said schools should remain closed through spring break. The Japanese school year ends in March, and the new year usually starts at the beginning of April.
He specifically requested that all elementary, middle and high schools close. He did not mention universities or day-care centers.
The move toward a countrywide shutdown follows a decision on Wednesday by the Education Board of Hokkaido, Japan’s northernmost island, to close more than 1,600 schools in the prefecture until at least March 4. Hokkaido has had 54 confirmed cases and two deaths from the virus.
Hours before Mr. Abe spoke, the mayor of Osaka said he had requested that schools in the city, Japan’s third largest, be closed until March 13.
South Korea and U.S. call off joint military exercises.
The fast-growing coronavirus outbreak touched South Korea’s military alliance with the United States on Thursday, as the two countries announced that they would postpone their joint spring military exercise.
The decision came as South Korea reported 505 new cases of the coronavirus on Thursday, bringing the total number to 1,766, the largest outbreak outside of China. Most of the patients were from Daegu, a city in southeastern South Korea, and in nearby towns.
On Wednesday, the United States military reported the first case of a soldier being infected. The soldier was stationed at a base near Daegu.
Both South Korea and the United States said their annual spring combined training, originally scheduled to take place next month, would be postponed “until further notice.”
South Korea has placed itself on the highest possible alert to deal with the outbreak, suspending nonessential military training and placing more than 9,500 troops under quarantine. It has also barred most of its enlisted soldiers from taking leave.
Australian prime minister warns of a “global pandemic.”
Prime Minister Scott Morrison of Australia, sharply criticized for his sluggish response to the wildfires in recent months, said Thursday that his government would enact an emergency response plan for a pandemic the global health authorities have yet to declare.
“We believe the risk of a global pandemic is very much upon us,” he said. “And as a result, as a government we need to take the steps necessary to prepare for such a pandemic.”
That will include, among other things, extending a ban through March 7 on foreigners who have been to mainland China in the past 14 days. There have been 22 confirmed cases of the virus in Australia, with no deaths.
Mr. Morrison said that Australians should continue to attend schools and mass gatherings, play outdoors and eat in restaurants.
“You can do all of these things because Australia has acted quickly, Australia has gotten ahead of it at this point of time,” he said. “But to stay ahead of it, we need to now elevate our response to this next phase.”
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The way China locked down entire cities and quarantined 50 million people I thought the virus was going to be a lot worse but to be honest it is going to be slightly worse then the flu it has a 3.4% death rate so far based on confirmed cases and deaths so there is a 96.6% chance the virus will not kill you I'll take those odds.
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Currently the Covid-19 coronavirus has an average fatality rate of 2.3%, varying between 1% in S. Korea to 2.7% in Italy and 3.4% in parts of China, ( and apparently almost 10% in Iran
That means that the same number of people who currently die every year *worldwide* from the flu would die in the UK *alone*, from the coronavirus.
Yes, if you are young and reasonably healthy you may well be safe, but if you are old, and/or malnourished, and/or poor, cold/inadequately housed, or stressed/exhausted/lacking sleep, and/or suffer from diabetes or cardiovascular disease or any kind of chronic respiratory disorder the chances of dying from the coronavirus go up, to between 6% and 14% depending on age etc.
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Coronavirus Live Updates: Cases Soar in Italy, Iran and South Korea as Alarm Grows
Financial markets were pummeled by the news. A whistle-blower complaint said that federal health workers were sent into quarantine areas unprotected and unprepared.
New York City officials said they had a possible coronavirus case, which would be the city’s first, a patient with respiratory symptoms who had recently traveled in Italy.
The virus sweeps the globe, with cases in at least 48 countries.
New York City officials said they had a possible coronavirus case, which would be the city’s first, a patient with respiratory symptoms who had recently traveled in Italy.
Japan closed its schools for at least a month. Iran canceled Friday Prayers in major cities. Saudi Arabia barred pilgrims from its holiest sites. Stock markets tumbled. U.S. officials called for many more people to be tested.
As cases of the new coronavirus soared in Europe and the Middle East, and infections cropped up in several additional countries — cumulatively at least 48 so far — the signs were everywhere on Thursday that the epidemic shaking much of the world was being viewed with growing alarm.
And the illness, first detected in China in December, appeared to enter a troubling new phase: Infections were found in patients in Germany and the United States who had no known risk factors, like having traveled to an affected area, suggesting that the virus could be spreading undetected in their communities.
Conditions continued to ease in China, where the authorities lifted some citywide lockdowns and the country struggled to revive major segments of the economy that had ground to a halt. Around the world, the new illness, dubbed COVID-19, stirred fears that other nations could suffer as China has.
In both Italy and Iran, with two of the biggest outbreaks, the number of reported infections more than doubled in just two days, approaching 900 combined, and people who had recently been to those countries continued to seed new outbreaks elsewhere. Kuwait reported 43 new cases, all of them tied to Iran.
South Korea, with the largest outbreak outside of China, reported a 40 percent increase in cases, to 1,766, and officials made plans to test an estimated 200,000 members of a church that has become one of the epidemic’s hot zones.
Several countries registered new infections that illustrated the diverse ways the pathogen could cross borders. In Britain, one case was linked to Tenerife in the Canary Islands of Spain, where a hotel remains under lockdown after four guests tested positive.
In the United States alone, thousands of people who had been at risk of exposure to the virus were under quarantine — most often voluntary — and federal officials issued new warnings about the potential spread of the disease, including the possibility that schools could be forced to close.
U.S. workers were sent into quarantine area unprotected and unprepared, complaint says.
Federal government health workers were not given proper medical training or protective gear when they were sent to assist Americans who had been quarantined for possible exposure to the coronavirus, according to a whistle-blower complaint.
Staff members entered quarantine areas at Travis Air Force Base and March Air Reserve Base in California, interacted with the people who were in isolation and then moved freely around and off the bases, the complaint said.
The whistle-blower, described as a senior leader at the Department of Health and Human Services, said at least one worker stayed in a nearby hotel and left California on a commercial flight.
Many of the health workers were unaware of the need to test their temperatures three times a day, the person said. The complaint was submitted to the Office of the Special Counsel, and a portion was obtained by The New York Times.
The employees were not given training in safety protocols until five days after they were ordered into quarantined areas, including a hangar where evacuees from coronavirus hot zones in China and elsewhere were being received, the whistle-blower said.
President Trump has sought to play down the danger of a domestic outbreak, amid bipartisan concerns about a sluggish and disjointed administration response to an epidemic that public health officials say is likely to spread in the United States.
The first U.S. case of coronavirus infection in a patient with no known risk factors — travel to a hot zone or contact with another infected person — emerged this week near Travis Air Force Base.
In a statement on Thursday, the Department of Health and Human Services acknowledged the complaint, saying, “We take all whistle-blower complaints very seriously.”
Stock market suffers worst daily drop since 2011
Global markets tumbled for a sixth consecutive day on Thursday, dragging the S&P 500 down more than 10 percent in just over a week, reflecting rising fears over the coronavirus spreading quickly around the world.
The benchmark index fell 4.4 percent on Thursday, the worst single-day slide for the market since August 2011. It is on pace for its worst weekly performance since the 2008 financial crisis. Stocks in Europe and Asia were also hard hit on Thursday.
The speed of the slump has been stunning, with the S&P 500 falling more than 10 percent from its Feb. 19 high, a drop that Wall Street labels a market correction to suggest the decline is more significant than a few days of downbeat trading.
The last time stocks in the United States fell more than 10 percent was late 2018, when investors worried that the trade war and rising interest rates might tip the U.S. economy into a recession. The Dow Jones industrial average also fell into a correction on Thursday, as did shares in London.
Stocks in Europe and Asia were also hard hit on Thursday, and the blow to investor confidence spread far beyond stocks. Crude oil fell more than 4 percent, and money flooded into Treasury markets, pushing prices sharply higher, and yields — which move in the opposite direction — to once unthinkable depths.
New York may have its first case, city officials said
New York City officials said on Thursday they had a possible coronavirus patient and were sending a sample for testing to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. The patient had respiratory symptoms and had recently traveled in Italy, which has emerged as a hub of the coronavirus, health officials said.
Health officials said the patient was under 50, but provided few other biographical details. This was the first suspected case in New York City since the C.D.C. expanded its testing criteria to account for the spread of the virus in a number of countries beyond China, including Iran, Italy, Japan, and South Korea.
New York City has had no confirmed cases of the virus so far. Seven patients had previously been deemed potential cases, only to be ruled out after testing.
Virus testing will cast a wider net, C.D.C. says.
Federal health officials on Thursday approved coronavirus testing of significantly more people, a day after a California patient who had no known risk factors tested positive for the virus.
Testing for the infection — which is now done almost entirely by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta — has been administered only to patients who had been to China recently or who were in touch with a person who had a confirmed case of the illness, though exceptions could be made.
The C.D.C. expanded the criteria to include people with symptoms of illness who had traveled to Iran, Italy, Japan and South Korea. They will also cover severely ill patients with acute lower respiratory sickness who are hospitalized, even if no source of coronavirus exposure has been identified, when there is no alternative diagnosis.
The California patient had to wait days to be tested because of restrictive federal criteria, despite doctors’ suggestions. Public health officials said the person was a resident of Solano County, in Northern California, but they have not disclosed any other information to protect the patient’s privacy.
Doctors at the University of California, Davis Medical Center considered the novel pathogen a possible diagnosis when the patient was first admitted last week.
The patient in California and one in Germany had not traveled to any country with an outbreak, or been in contact with anyone known to be infected, suggesting that the virus had spread within their communities.
“That would suggest there are other undetected cases out there, and we have already started some low-grade transmission,” said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University.
As Italian cases jump, Europe tries to balance containment against overreaction.
The number of coronavirus cases in Italy soared on Thursday, and the count of European countries reporting infections rose to 15.
Leaders are struggling to find a balance between slowing the epidemic and avoiding panic or economic disruption — debating, for example, the wisdom of holding major events that draw from across the continent.
The Netherlands, Denmark, Estonia, Norway and Romania all reported infections for the first time, joining Italy, Austria, Croatia, France, Germany, Greece, North Macedonia, Spain, Sweden and Britain.
Italian officials reported 650 cases as of Thursday night — up from 400 a day earlier — with 17 deaths. The number of infections had doubled in just two days, as Italy grapples with the largest outbreak outside of Asia, centered in the northern region of Lombardy.
Whole towns have been isolated, and Lombardy’s governor, Attilio Fontana, started a period of self-isolation after a co-worker tested positive.
Most other affected European nations have just a handful of cases, but national leaders say that these early days will prove crucial.
“We have before us a crisis, an epidemic that is coming, we know that certain countries are already much more affected than us,” President Emmanuel Macron of France said during a visit to the Paris hospital where a coronavirus patient died this week. “We are going to have to confront it as best we can, even as life goes on.”
Hours later, officials in France reported that the number of cases there had jumped to 38, from 18 a day earlier.
In Spain, where there are 17 cases, the latest patient, announced Thursday, was a soccer fan from Valencia — one of thousands who had traveled to Milan, the capital of Lombardy, earlier this month to watch a Champions League match.
Hermenelinda Vanaclocha, a regional health official in Valencia, said “three or four” others fans who made the same trip showed symptoms of coronavirus infection, and were being kept isolated at home.
Ballooning outbreak in Iran reaches the president’s cabinet
The coronavirus toll in Iran continued to climb fast on Thursday, as a member of President Hassan Rouhani’s cabinet fell ill — one of at least seven government official to test positive, including one prominent cleric who has died.
The official, Iran’s highest ranking female official, attended a cabinet meeting on Wednesday, in which she may have exposed others, including Mr. Rouhani.
The Health Ministry reported 245 cases, up from 139 on Wednesday, with 26 deaths. Health experts say that given the number of fatalities, the number of infections is probably far higher than the official figure.
Dozens of cases involving people who recently visited Iran have popped up in recent days in Bahrain, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Oman, Iraq, the United Arab Emirates, Pakistan, Georgia and Kuwait.
The sick cabinet member, Masoumeh Ebtekar, is Mr. Rouhani’s deputy for women’s affairs. A young revolutionary during the Tehran hostage crisis four decades ago, Ms. Ebtekar was a spokeswoman for the captors of the 52 Americans held at the U.S. Embassy.
She announced that her infection on Thursday and said she was quarantined at home.
Despite the Iranian authorities’ earlier claims that the outbreak, centered in the city of Qom, had been exaggerated by enemy propaganda, they canceled Friday Prayers in Tehran and 22 other cities, and ordered schools and universities closed until March 21. All cultural and sports events will remain shut down for another week, the Ministry of Culture said.
Hadi Khosroshahi, 81, a prominent cleric and former ambassador to the Vatican, was sickened by the coronavirus and died in a hospital, Iran’s official media have reported. The outbreak has also killed Elham Sheikhi, 22, a member of the women’s national soccer team.
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the vice president - hardcore christian bonehead who denies evolution and is responsible for the worst HIV outbreak in his state - is now in charge of managing the outbreak. what the f**k could possibly go wrong
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Hmm ... and that's without one single confirmed case in NYC, which, ehem, has five Chinatowns, right?
This is what you wrote on Feb. 13, 2020:
If I were in Hubei Province, I would probably be more concerned.
Not one case of this strain has been confirmed in NYC, which has FIVE Chinatowns.
I feel like the people and government of Wuhan have responded well, building full hospitals in 10 days, and just being vigilant.
I believe a corner has been turned.
What corner were you referring to?
Not one case STILL has been confirmed in NY City.
Do you have to be a jerk?
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This is very troubling. It sort of blows a big whole into the concept of a futuristic vaccine capable of protecting someone for this coronavirus.
“Once you have the infection, it could remain dormant and with minimal symptoms, and then you can get an exacerbation if it finds its way into the lungs,” said Philip Tierno Jr., professor of microbiology and pathology at NYU School of Medicine. .
Yes there are stories of the virus incubating for 27 days and re-appearing in recovered patients. It now appears even pets can be carriers based on a news item in HK. A Microbiologist in the University of Queensland is confident the virus will be as widespread as the common flu and people may infact carry it for the duration of their lives.
Again all roads go back to a released biological weapon
Again all roads go back to a released biological weapon
Not really. A virus having the effects you mention does not mean that it was bioengineered.
A virus which remains in the infected person's body for the rest of their lives, activating from time to time, ( like the Herpes family for example, now present in a third/two thirds of the population ), does not seem like a useful weapon .... unless it has been subtly tweaked/programmed to induce very specific sickness behaviours which would advantage its creator.
.... ( something that I don't believe has been invented yet, unless you include cats, and the toxicoplasmosis disease often carried in/distributed by their s**t, which apparently induces immobility/paralysed fascination in the presence of cat odours, rendering mice and some humans easy prey
Close examination of the covid-19 virus DNA has shown that, as with many of the coronaviruses, it almost certainly arose in bats, which wander/flit about the Chinese town of Wuhan at the epicentre of the outbreak, like pigeons in Europe, and/or animals ( possibly pangolins ) that they came into close contact with which were being sold, alive, in the live wild animal market in the city centre, where first cases occurred.
The most probable reason for the repeat infection effect is that tests are as little as 40% reliable on average, and at worst 26% accurate, and it seems that tests are having to be administered three or four or even more times , as many people only test positive after several tries. This is apparently partly because if the infection is not sufficiently advanced there will not be enough virus material present in the body to register with the test reagent.
Another possibility is that the first illness wasn't the covid-19 coronavirus but a cold ( another weaker coronavirus ) or flu and the positive test result at that time was false.
But yes, according to quite a few scientist researchers, it does look as if this disease may perhaps become endemic, permanently present worldwide, like flu. We just have to cope with the first couple of years of crisis and mass "die off" associated with the arrival/emergence of a new illness.
I see no reason to believe that it is a biological weapon. What purpose could it serve?
Who would want to destabilise every single country on earth, put pressure on all political and economic systems, "relieve" societies of large numbers of their weakest/most burdensome infirm, significantly if perhaps only temporarily reduce carbon and other greenhouse gas emissions, and increase the space available for new ideas/a different way of doing things to emerge?
I still don't think it's a bioengineered virus.
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Really? I thought some people here are still making mockeries about this whole coronavirus thing. Why don't you revisit this thread and see how many people have made fun of the whole situation? How they laughed about media hype. How come you did not say anything about them? How come you are only getting serious, now, huh? Revisit this thread and re-read every article I have written.
Each person makes their own decisions. Each person lives with the consequences of their decisions. Isn't that the same with how we approach autism?
