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06 Jun 2020, 7:08 pm

Nairobi, Kenya is much cooler than Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. Kenya and Tanzania are adjacent to each other.

Most of the Sahara gets less than 10 inches of rain; the west African coast has places that get over 100 inches of rain. The people of the Sahara, who are usually black Africans, share no kinship with the peoples of the coast.

Africans don’t tend to feel kinship with African Americans. An African American vacationing in Africa is treated like a foreigner. Like all other Americans, they are considered rich. They are treated both good and bad.



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06 Jun 2020, 7:21 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Nairobi, Kenya is much cooler than Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. Kenya and Tanzania are adjacent to each other.


Still, Kenya is hotter than most of Europe.

So there are larger scale variations and smaller scale variations. They don't contradict one another. They should be looked together in complex.

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Most of the Sahara gets less than 10 inches of rain; the west African coast has places that get over 100 inches of rain. The people of the Sahara, who are usually black Africans, share no kinship with the peoples of the coast.


Thats all relative. If I run into Ukrainian or even Armenian in the US, I feel a lot of kinship due to common language. But I wouldn't have felt it in Russia where everyone speaks that language. So maybe if these different kinds of Africans were to meet in the US, they would feel more kinship with each other.

Also Chinese and Japanese aren't supposed to feel a lot of kinship with each other either. Yet, when you look at the foreign students then all of a sudden you see Chinese students and Japanese students grouping togehter with each other.

That, once again, reflects large scale variations and small scale variations that become relevant or irrelevant depending on the context.

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Africans don’t tend to feel kinship with African Americans. An African American vacationing in Africa is treated like a foreigner. Like all other Americans, they are considered rich. They are treated both good and bad.


Thats probably true, due to them being separated from each other for centuries. They might still share some physical traits though, such as physical strenght for example.



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06 Jun 2020, 9:03 pm

Slavic people are also noted for their physical strength....but this is not true of all Slavic or African peoples.



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06 Jun 2020, 9:14 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Slavic people are also noted for their physical strength....but this is not true of all Slavic or African peoples.


I never said "all", I was talking about statistics.



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06 Jun 2020, 9:18 pm

Statistics mean nothing when assessing individuals.

An individual person of a certain race....just might not reflect the statistics.

The same can be said for much of social science research.



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06 Jun 2020, 9:32 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Statistics mean nothing when assessing individuals.

An individual person of a certain race....just might not reflect the statistics.

The same can be said for much of social science research.


I never said individual person reflects statistics. Thats why I used the word statistics to separate it from individual person.

For example, as far as Amy and Christian are concerned, statistics is irrelevant since they are individuals. Thats why I said few replies earlier that we went off tangent.

At the same time, when you said "race doesn't exist" I couldn't help but point out that it does. Yes statistics exist even though it doesn't apply to every single individual.



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07 Jun 2020, 12:35 am

funeralxempire wrote:
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I got banned from AF for 'posting n-word music' within a few days of joining.


That place wasn't for me, either.


I didn't think Nitro would be such a blatant racist, but...
It never even really occurred to be to consider it from that angle until my coworker told a similar story and it clicked that he didn't have any idea what I looked like.


An intelligent approach would have been to investigate where the person posting was coming from.
I gather he didn't do that?



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07 Jun 2020, 12:41 am

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Well, what Christian Cooper did is also "provocative" (your word) so I don't see how it would be any less wrong.
They both broke the law. Amy broke by having the dog off leash, and Christian broke by giving the dog the bones.

Can you show me a law where giving a dog bones is illegal?


Well, I won't be able to show the law against stealing from the grocery store either, I am just not that familiar with how to look up various laws. Somebody who is more familiar with this than me probably "would" be able to look it up.

But one thing I do know is that there are signs not to feed animals in the zoo. And also the dog is someone else's property. So thats how I can make a "good guess" that there must be a law that would say not to feed other people's dogs.


It is common sense that you can't feed anything to someone else's pet,
Without the owner's permission.
Not rocket surgery.



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07 Jun 2020, 12:46 am

QFT wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Statistics mean nothing when assessing individuals.

An individual person of a certain race....just might not reflect the statistics.

The same can be said for much of social science research.


I never said individual person reflects statistics. Thats why I used the word statistics to separate it from individual person.

For example, as far as Amy and Christian are concerned, statistics is irrelevant since they are individuals. Thats why I said few replies earlier that we went off tangent.

At the same time, when you said "race doesn't exist" I couldn't help but point out that it does. Yes statistics exist even though it doesn't apply to every single individual.


OK,
This has gone on for long enough. :evil:
You two,
Get a room. :mrgreen:



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07 Jun 2020, 1:35 am

QFT wrote:
But one thing I do know is that there are signs not to feed animals in the zoo. And also the dog is someone else's property. So thats how I can make a "good guess" that there must be a law that would say not to feed other people's dogs.


I can see how your mind works. There are some actions that fall through the cracks and throwing dog bones to a dog in public (off leash) is one of them. I strongly suspect that there is no motive to harm so therefore nothing can be done (particularly if the dog owner is doing the wrong thing and letting their dog run wild). If Amy Cooper picked up the bones and took them to a toxicology lab and they contained poison that's another matter but that never transpired so the argument is now redundant.

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In any case, I thought that there is higher proportion of autistics in academia than elsewhere. I also read that, in general population, about 1% are autistic. So in academia it would be higher than 1%

Do you have evidence for this? I have known professional staff, academic, PhD, masters, honours, undergraduate etc and in all the years I've worked around unis in STEM related departments I've only met one mature aged student who was autistic. Of course there may be in math, engineering and computing.

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The fact that they are selfish doesn't contradict the fact that they are left wing. So you are making an "assumption" that selfish people are right wing -- and that assumption might not be true. Southerners are known for hospitality, despite being right wing.

This was based that individualism is about looking after one's self first, this is the first basic assumption of economic theory. Right wingers tend to be highly individualistic and hate collectivism except when it pertains to race/ethnic identity. But of course this is not my field of expertise and I have already acknowledged national socialism applies across cultures and ethnicities.

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Well, the liberals are trying to make it sound like Whites (meaning European descent) are the most guilty ones. So what you just said where you mentioned Asians confirms my point that liberals are misrepresenting things. And by the way there are wars in Africa too. The reason they don't make it into news is perhaps because they are not as technologically advanced as Europeans and Asians to be able to cause as much trouble.

The reason wars in Africa don't make the news is because the vast majority of non-African people don't care what happens in Africa. When there are famines and mass deaths then agencies force wealthy countries in the UN to take action but a lot of these actions (e.g. foreign aid) are more strategic than out of the goodness of their hearts. For example China is providing a lot of aid to African countries which is infact resulting in these same countries going into debt

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I don't think the success of ancestors would impact people this much. Jews were living in ghettos throughout middle ages all the way through 19-th century, yet look at how educated and successful they are. So blacks could have done the same thing -- particularly since there are programs designed to help blacks, such as affirmative action and so forth.

I would look at the history of America to see how every time black communities arose that became self-sufficient they were ruthlessly removed. One of the myths is this was the work of the KKK but infact the vast majority of of sabotage was committed by average white settlers and their police force. A lot of this is conveniently undocumented so the scale of this secret war will likely never be known.

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Actually the Jews were persecutted *at least* for two MILLENIA. I didn't even know that after the renaissance it got worse (I was actually suspecting it might have gotten somewhat better, although I might have been wrong). But in any case, the hatred of Jews was partly caused by Jews killing Jesus. If you look at Church Fathers you will find a lot of anti-Jewish rhetoric. For example look at "homilies against the Jews" by John Christomsone. Also there were a lot of the laws throughout the two millenia that forbade Jews from holding various jobs, marrying non-jews, holding non-jewish slaves, and probably there were laws that made Jews live in separate areas from non-jews as well. It culminated in Spanish Inquisition, where Jews were one of the primary targets of Spanish Inquisition. Like for example, during that same year as when Columbus discovered America, there was a decree in Spain that all the Jews are to either get baptized or get killed or leave the country. And such decrees were pretty much mainstream. If you look at how many times Jews were expelled from various countries througout two millenia you would get an average of about one expulsion in 20 years or something like that. But even the two millenia is also an understatement. Back in the Old Testament days Jews were persecutted as well: by Egyptians, Persians, Babylonians, etc. So the death of Jesus was not the initial cause of this since they were persecutted even "before" they killed Jesus. Although its true that killing Jesus made that persecution a lot more systematic.

The jews had a number of advantages of black americans.
i) they came as willing migrants to new lands (not uprooted slaves)
ii) hey were allowed to practice their language/culture and religion (blacks lost all of these)
iii) they were allowed to live with communities they settled in (blacks were forced to live in apartheid)
iv) they were allowed to go to school and get education (blacks never experienced any equality till the 1960s)
v.) they were allowed to hold positions of power (blacks never experienced this till the 1980s)
vi) they were allowed to intermarry in any community they lived with (blacks were forbidden from interacting with whites)

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Well, I am aware that in India they might dislike blacks because they have what is called a "cast system", so lower casts tend to have darker skin. Since cast system applies only to Indians that doesn't necesserely imply they would dislike non-indian blacks. But I guess the fact that they dislike Indian blacks might carry over.

Much of the anti-blackness throughout the non-western world is based colorism. But this discrimination is reinforced by western media so that when a qualified black english teacher applies for a job in China or Japan they are rejected because there is a belief in Asia that blacks are not capable of being educated.

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I am not sure why would people other than Indians dislike blacks though *unless* it is caused by the fact that blacks are oftentimes criminals. I mean -- if I take what "you" are saying, you just told me that every single tribe on every single continent hates blacks. If I were to take your word for it, why would this be the case unless there is a good reason for it? I mean, as a scientist, you know that everything has a reason.

Media has a role of perpetuating stereotypes. So when a Nigerian scammer tries to cheat somebody in the Philippines the local police start accosting anyone who is black. The Chinese retribution against Africans living in Guanzhou is the most distorted and perverse example where local Chinese believed media reports that foreigners were carrying the virus and started harassing blacks more than say Chinese who really were carrying the virus and whites who were perceived as being more hygienic. Both assumptions were totally unsubstantiated.

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Througout centuries Jews liked to keep to themselves because their religion taught them they are superior -- and that would be one thing that other people didn't like that much. But in case of blacks, what would be the reason? I mean I see "one" reason with blacks: namely, the fact that they tend to commit more crime and be more aggressive. If you don't agree thats the reason, then what other reasons would you suggest?

Black crime is a myth perpetuated by the media, blacks are more represented in lower SES groups where blue collar criminal behavior is more likely. What is true is blacks are more represented in jail statistics because they 3-4 times more likely to be arrested than white criminals (another reason for the riots).

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If you are talking about achievements, I am not sure what kind of obstacles they have. I thought its the opposite: affirmative action tends to favor them when it comes to admission into the universities.

The demographic rise of the black community is happening thanks to affirmative action. Without affirmative action blacks would have too many economic and social barriers to getting into higher education and employment.

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My mom had me invite my classmates for my birthday back when I was ages 10, 11 and 12.
So then when when I played that card game for my birthday that coming year, I decided to exclude the three students that "were standing" from the game. Now, my mom agreed that two of those students were, in fact, bad. But the third student -- a girl named Marina -- my mom didn't think was bad. On the contrary long before she "was standing" both my mom and my grandma was pointing out how nice she was towards me and were encouraging me to be friends with her. So this year when I decided to exclude her from the card game because she "was standing", my mom had to convince me to include her. I really didn't want to because I wanted to stick to formal rules and "formally" she was standing. But finally I included her. Ironically, she ended up one of the people who "won", so she was invited to my birthday.


I appreciate your experiences and challenges with getting friends. I am sure my daughter is going through similar experiences. I was interested in the response of your mom and grandma in setting you up with this girl. Parents of autistic kids really should try and engage cross gender relations early because once NTs reach adolescence they become highly conscious over whom they are friends with. I had equal numbers of female friends in primary school and also remember turning down advances of girls who wanted to be friends. The moment I hit highschool it was like a game of musical chairs and all the teen girls were "taken" and had boyfriends. I realised much later how much I had squandered my chances.

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Are you saying they wouldn't listen to you anyway? If so, have you tried to look at the other platforms where people "might" listen?


Nah, I have reached an age where the drive to do these things is starting to diminish.



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07 Jun 2020, 1:40 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Africans don’t tend to feel kinship with African Americans. An African American vacationing in Africa is treated like a foreigner. Like all other Americans, they are considered rich. They are treated both good and bad.


I think this is the same for most cultures. If you are born in a western country and go back to visit your family they no longer recognise you as a local.



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07 Jun 2020, 2:24 am

That’s my point, really.

Africans don’t feel kinship with others merely because of their racial characteristics; neither do Asians and whites.



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07 Jun 2020, 2:46 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
That’s my point, really.

Africans don’t feel kinship with others merely because of their racial characteristics; neither do Asians and whites.


And therein lies why "race" is preposterous except in the minds of people who like to rely on cognitive shortcuts that you can pigeonhole people into convenient stereotypes.



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07 Jun 2020, 5:09 am

Ok I'm done with SJW stuff...somebody else take over from me?



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07 Jun 2020, 5:47 am

I guess it’s time to mow the lawn :P

I hope you’re not getting cynical. Being committed to social justice is a lifetime commitment. It’s better to be committed to moderation, though, and not the excesses of SJW-hood.

I wish you would talk about your daughter more.



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07 Jun 2020, 5:55 am

cyberdad wrote:
Ok I'm done with SJW stuff...


Thank you.