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02 Jun 2020, 8:53 pm

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I'd challenge logical, but besides that I'd agree with your assessment. For whatever attitudes I'd criticize, I don't believe they'd ever lead him to directly advocate for violence (at most he might turn a blind eye and I won't criticize folks for doing that for the most part).


He's very logical about world history and American politics. I may not have the same views about gun ownership, I don't know much about American politics at all, and we may have differing opinions on some topics, but he backs up his claims with factual statistics and information. It's a well known problem on here. Sometimes our jokes are taken literally but they are meant to be ironic.


We have a pretty extensive history debating those topics i'm not sure I agree with your assessment. I'm not going to expand on that, we've all had different sets of experiences with each other and my experience doesn't invalidate yours or vice-versa. That said, whatever criticisms or disagreements I might have, I would agree with that he's a person who's motivated by good intentions and empathy and who is fairly consistent in regards to being non-violent and promoting non-violence.


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02 Jun 2020, 9:59 pm

Long Island Gun Shop's Sales Soar Amid Violent Protests

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Long Island Gun Shop's Sales Soar Amid Violent Protests
Jimmy's Sport Shop owner Jimmy Gong said customers have waited in line for hours to buy guns over fears of criminals involved in protests.
By Daniel Hampton, Patch Staff
Jun 2, 2020 3:58 pm ET | Updated Jun 2, 2020 5:09 pm ET

MINEOLA, NY — As police, protesters and looters clash in cities across the country, a Long Island gun store's sales have soared, with customers waiting in line for hours.

Jimmy Gong, president of Jimmy's Sport Shop, which opened on Jericho Turnpike in Mineola about a year ago, told Patch on Tuesday his business, like many others, was forced to close its doors for two months due to the coronavirus pandemic and ensuing statewide shutdown. He later reopened and sold firearms to customers who ordered ahead of time. Over the weekend, he opened his shop for in-store service.

Gong's reopening coincided with national outrage over the police killing of George Floyd in Minnesota.

Gong estimated his store has seen sales rise within the last week as much as 20 percent. Video taken at his store showed several mask-wearing customers patiently waiting in line to enter.

"They wait three, four hours to enter the store," he said. During the pandemic, the store has reduced its hours, opening three times a week for about four to six hours.

The uptick in sales stems directly from the protests, he said.

Gong, who is Chinese, said most of his customers are people from minority communities who want to support his business because it's minority-owned. They're buying guns now out of fear of criminals, not police, he said when asked why his customers have said they want a gun now.

"Criminals, looters," he said. "They're not going to buy guns for cops, they're going to buy guns for the criminals."

Most customers in recent days are shopping for rifles and shotguns, which Long Island residents can purchase in about 10 minutes, Gong said. It takes longer to buy other types of guns, though, including pistols, which require a license.


So far there has been no violent protests on Long Island including one that went by my corner.


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02 Jun 2020, 10:50 pm

Trump wants to designate Antifa a terrorist organisation despite the FBI categorically stating there is no evidence they have been involved with any of the riots
https://www.thenation.com/article/activ ... trump-fbi/

Perhaps somebody better disconnect the hotline Trump has with David Duke :roll:



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02 Jun 2020, 11:03 pm

77 old black retired cop was killed by rioters, guess only some black lives matter, won’t be justice for him, won’t be any protests for him. They even kept trying to riot as he lay dying


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02 Jun 2020, 11:13 pm

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Trump wants to designate Antifa a terrorist organisation despite the FBI categorically stating there is no evidence they have been involved with any of the riots
https://www.thenation.com/article/activ ... trump-fbi/

Perhaps somebody better disconnect the hotline Trump has with David Duke :roll:

Antifa is anti-liberal too.

"Antifa activists reject anti-fascist conservatives as well as liberals."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)


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02 Jun 2020, 11:26 pm

Rebel Wisdom shedding some light on the chaos:


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02 Jun 2020, 11:30 pm

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77 old black retired cop was killed by rioters, guess only some black lives matter, won’t be justice for him, won’t be any protests for him. They even kept trying to riot as he lay dying



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02 Jun 2020, 11:58 pm

Well finally got around to looking up and in depth video of the murder. Seems very clear it was a murder, at one point there were three police officers applying pressure on his body. He said he could not breath multiple times, even onlookers were telling them to stop and let him breathe.

Even if he had used a fake bill which I have not heard of confirmation of it or if that was the case if he knew it was fake. But even if it was true he knowingly used a fake bill to buy cigarettes, is the penalty for that death? Watching the video I wanted to just bodyslam the cop off of him, I am quite small so don't know if it would have done much good. But I honestly don't know if I saw something like that in real time If I would have been able to stop myself from at least trying to get the cop to release his knee off the guys neck.

From my reaction to the video maybe not. IDK. I mean I felt the rage watching the video knowing there was nothing I could do...so I knew it would be no use to run into or punch anything. but if it was right in front of me and I felt that rage yeah may have tried to ram the cop or punch him.


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03 Jun 2020, 12:06 am

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I feel like the vast majority of cops are decent people. The few who are idiots make it bad for the rest of them.


I feel the same about "Progressives". :mrgreen:



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03 Jun 2020, 12:08 am

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I feel like the vast majority of cops are decent people. The few who are idiots make it bad for the rest of them.


I feel the same about "Progressives". :mrgreen:


Well good.


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03 Jun 2020, 12:14 am

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Well finally got around to looking up and in depth video of the murder.


I'm not defending what happened.
I'm just confused about why the charge is "Murder".

To me, "Murder" involves intent.
I find it hard to believe that the police officer was deliberately intending to murder someone, in front of multiple witnesses, while the event was captured on phone videos.
I would have thought it was the case of "Involuntary killing"/manslaughter.

Any lawyers here?

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A lot of things have the potential to cause death. You have to be able to prove beyond doubt the intent was to cause death.


That is what I would have thought.



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03 Jun 2020, 12:20 am

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"Antifa activists reject anti-fascist conservatives as well as liberals."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)


But it is:
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The antifa (/ænˈtiːfə, ˈæntiˌfɑː/)[1] movement in the United States is a militant, predominantly left-wing, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)



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03 Jun 2020, 12:29 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:

I'd challenge logical, but besides that I'd agree with your assessment. For whatever attitudes I'd criticize, I don't believe they'd ever lead him to directly advocate for violence (at most he might turn a blind eye and I won't criticize folks for doing that for the most part).


He's very logical about world history and American politics. I may not have the same views about gun ownership, I don't know much about American politics at all, and we may have differing opinions on some topics, but he backs up his claims with factual statistics and information. It's a well known problem on here. Sometimes our jokes are taken literally but they are meant to be ironic.


I find, on an autistic website, the use of irony obscene. <irony> :mrgreen:
Perhaps the use of more "Contextual Qualifiers", such as <sarcasm><irony><facetiousness><joke> may be in order. :wink:



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03 Jun 2020, 12:38 am

Pepe wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Well finally got around to looking up and in depth video of the murder.


I'm not defending what happened.
I'm just confused about why the charge is "Murder".

To me, "Murder" involves intent.
I find it hard to believe that the police officer was deliberately intending to murder someone, in front of multiple witnesses, while the event was captured on phone videos.
I would have thought it was the case of "Involuntary killing"/manslaughter.

Any lawyers here?


Well the guy he had the knee on the neck of the man, while said very many times 'I can't breathe, I can't breate, please let me breathe' over and over and the cop never even let up a little even once..almost as if he was trying to suffocate the guy. Just doesn't look like it was very involuntary..they guy stated he couldn't breathe and when he started to pass out even then the cop did not let up his knee even a little bit.

I could see involuntary manslaughter if he released preasure at least after the 3rd or 4th time the man said he couldn't breathe and still somehow he died...but he kept sever neck pressure on the guy even until after he had passed out from not being being able to breathe. That just does not seem like 'unintentional' manslaughter to me...certainly looks like murder.

I mean if you are not trying to kill the person, wouldn't you allow them at least a little bit of breath if they are practically passing out because of your knee holding them down in a severe choke hold? Even when they are handcuffed and saying "i can't breathe, I can't breathe, please....I can't breathe' maybe that would be a signal to let up on your f*****g knee pressure that is choking the guy. f**k!.


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03 Jun 2020, 12:44 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
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Sweetleaf wrote:
Well finally got around to looking up and in depth video of the murder.


I'm not defending what happened.
I'm just confused about why the charge is "Murder".

To me, "Murder" involves intent.
I find it hard to believe that the police officer was deliberately intending to murder someone, in front of multiple witnesses, while the event was captured on phone videos.
I would have thought it was the case of "Involuntary killing"/manslaughter.

Any lawyers here?


Well the guy he had the knee on the neck of the man, while said very many times 'I can't breathe, I can't breate, please let me breathe' over and over and the cop never even let up a little even once..almost as if he was trying to suffocate the guy. Just doesn't look like it was very involuntary..they guy stated he couldn't breathe and when he started to pass out even then the cop did not let up his knee even a little bit.

I could see involuntary manslaughter if he released preasure at least after the 3rd or 4th time the man said he couldn't breathe and still somehow he died...but he kept sever neck pressure on the guy even until after he had passed out from not being being able to breathe. That just does not seem like 'unintentional' manslaughter to me...certainly looks like murder.

I mean if you are not trying to kill the person, wouldn't you allow them at least a little bit of breath if they are practically passing out because of your knee holding them down in a severe choke hold? Even when they are handcuffed and saying "i can't breathe, I can't breathe, please....I can't breathe' maybe that would be a signal to let up on your f*****g knee pressure that is choking the guy. f**k!.


The policeman is going to jail for a very long time.
Judging by his mug-shot, he isn't very happy about it.
Common sense indicates the death of George was not his intent. :wink:



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03 Jun 2020, 3:35 am

According to BBC, rallies are growing but violence is decreasing:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52902121
I hope it's true. The message is clearer without the violence.


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