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14 Jan 2021, 9:16 am

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Isn't anyone going to get upset over that soldier accepting the pizza not wearing a mask?

Actually, I am.


Does it matter that he wasn't wearing one a couple of minutes before he started eating?



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14 Jan 2021, 9:20 am

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Does it matter that he wasn't wearing one a couple of minutes before he started eating?

I was generally thinking about epidemological problems with it.
Sure, you can't eat in your mask. Maybe they should have designated a specific, well-ventilated room for eating?
I guess the situation is already too chaotic to take care of these additional aspects but I'm a bit afraid of possible consequences.


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14 Jan 2021, 9:21 am

magz wrote:
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Isn't anyone going to get upset over that soldier accepting the pizza not wearing a mask?
Actually, I am.
I am not.  Those soldiers have already spent months in their training "bubble", and are not likely to infect anyone.

However, I am equally sure that his NCO or CO has already dealt with the matter.  The next time you see him, he may be standing guard duty in a full MOPP-4 turnout as a form of "Extra Military Instruction"...


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15 Jan 2021, 3:18 pm

Feds: Capitol mob aimed to 'assassinate' elected officials

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The pro-Trump mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol last week aimed to “capture and assassinate elected officials,” federal prosecutors said in court documents.

The revelation came in a motion prosecutors filed late Thursday in the case against Jacob Chansley, the Arizona man who took part in the insurrection while sporting face paint, no shirt and a furry hat with horns.

The details, tucked into the court papers, shed new light on the seriousness of the Capitol riot. They suggest that investigators believe there was a much more organized effort afoot, despite claims from rioters that it was a spontaneous outburst of anger over the election and President Donald Trump's loss. Trump had been repeating baseless claims of election fraud for weeks.

Prosecutors say that after Chansley climbed up to the dais where Vice President Mike Pence had been presiding moments earlier, Chansley wrote a threatening note to Pence that said: “It’s only a matter of time, justice is coming.”

Pence and congressional leaders had been ushered out of the chamber by the Secret Service and U.S. Capitol Police before the rioters stormed into the room.

“Strong evidence, including Chansley’s own words and actions at the Capitol, supports that the intent of the Capitol rioters was to capture and assassinate elected officials in the United States Government,” prosecutors wrote in their memo urging the judge to keep Chansley behind bars.

The FBI has been investigating whether any of the rioters had plotted to kidnap members of Congress and hold them hostage, focusing particularly on the men seen carrying plastic zip-tie handcuffs and pepper spray.

Prosecutors raised a similar prospect on Friday in the case of a former Air Force officer who they alleged carried plastic zip-tie handcuffs because he intended “to take hostages.” But so far, the Justice Department has not publicly released any specific evidence on the plots or explained how the rioters planned to carry them out.

Chansley, who calls himself the “QAnon Shaman” and has long been a fixture at Trump rallies, surrendered to the FBI field office in Phoenix on Saturday.

Chansley told investigators he came to the Capitol “at the request of the president that all ‘patriots’ come to D.C. on January 6, 2021.” An indictment unsealed Tuesday in Washington charges him with civil disorder, obstruction of an official proceeding, disorderly conduct in a restricted building, and demonstrating in a Capitol building.


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15 Jan 2021, 3:19 pm

So much truth in this video.


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15 Jan 2021, 10:06 pm

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So much truth in this video.



Interesting....Trump encouraging his MAGAs to go to the capitol and even saying he will be "with them" and to "show strength" and "not to concede". That seems fairly open and shut that he was the main trigger for the riots. Dog whistle.



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16 Jan 2021, 3:54 am

How the rioters who stormed the Capital came dangerously to Pence

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The violent mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 came perilously close to Vice President Pence, who was not evacuated from the Senate chamber for about 14 minutes after the Capitol Police reported an initial attempted breach of the complex — enough time for the marauders to rush inside the building and approach his location, according to law enforcement officials and video footage from that day.

Secret Service officers eventually spirited Pence to a room off the Senate floor with his wife and daughter after rioters began to pour into the Capitol, many loudly denouncing the vice president as a traitor as they marched through the first floor below the Senate chamber.

About one minute after Pence was hustled out of the chamber, a group charged up the stairs to a second-floor landing, chasing a Capitol Police officer who drew them away from the Senate.

Pence and his family had just ducked into a hideaway less than 100 feet from that landing, according to three people familiar with his whereabouts, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation. If the pro-Trump mob had arrived seconds earlier, the attackers would have been in eyesight of the vice president as he was rushed across a reception hall into the office.

The proximity of the Jan. 6 mob to the vice president and the delay in evacuating him from the chamber — which have not been previously reported — raise questions about why the Secret Service did not move him earlier and underscore the jeopardy that top government leaders faced during the siege.

As an increasingly hostile and violent crowd surrounded the Capitol, Pence remained at center stage, presiding over a joint session of Congress for more than an hour after the Capitol Police chief said he alerted his superiors that his force was being overrun and needed emergency reinforcements.

Pence was ultimately evacuated from his office off the Senate floor to a more secure location elsewhere in the Capitol complex. It is unclear exactly how long that took. But as the vice president made his way through the building, a growing number of rioters were joining their cohorts and coursing through the Capitol’s labyrinthine halls.

Many of those in the mob had their sights on Pence — enraged that he had refused President Trump’s demand that he head off the electoral college count that formalized President-elect Joe Biden’s victory.

According to the FBI, one man who was charged this week with trespassing and disorderly conduct after making his way into the Senate chamber said in a YouTube video: “Once we found out Pence turned on us and that they had stolen the election, like, officially, the crowd went crazy. I mean, it became a mob.”

At one point, a group of rioters began chanting, “Hang Mike Pence!” as they streamed into the main door on the east side of the Capitol.

One man who made his way into the Senate chamber reached Pence’s chair on the Senate dais. Shirtless, wearing face paint and a furry coyote-tail hat and ­carrying a six-foot-long spear, Jacob A. Chansley of Arizona left a note on the vice president’s desk that read in part, “It’s only a matter of time, justice is ­coming,” according to court filings.

Chansley — who has been charged with two felonies, including threatening congressional officials — told investigators he was glad to reach Pence’s desk because he believes the vice president is a child-trafficking traitor, but said he did not mean the note as a threat.

Pence had just begun presiding over the joint session of Congress that afternoon when law enforcement officials realized that the crowd massing around the Capitol had grown dangerous. Rioters had pressed up against the barriers surrounding the building — with some using them as weapons against the police.

“I realized at 1 p.m., things aren’t going well,” outgoing Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund told The Washington Post in an interview Sunday. “I’m watching my people getting slammed.”

Sund said he immediately called acting D.C. police chief Robert J. Contee III, who rushed 100 officers to the scene.

Meanwhile, the joint session of Congress convened at 1 p.m. in the House chamber for an alphabetical roll call of each state’s electoral college results, quickly pausing when Trump’s allies protested Biden’s victory in Arizona, which sent Pence and senators across the Capitol to their chamber to debate challenges to that state’s electoral vote.

At 2:13 p.m., Pence suddenly left the Senate floor and was moved to the nearby office, according to C-SPAN footage and a Post reporter on the scene.

But the rioters were not far behind. They chased Capitol Police officer Eugene Goodman up a flight of stairs, arriving on the landing at 2:14 p.m., video footage shows — seconds after the vice president had been whisked inside the office.

Pence’s Secret Service detail stood guard at the door. Inside the office with the vice president were his wife, Karen Pence, his daughter, Charlotte Pence Bond, and his brother, Rep. Greg Pence (R-Ind.), who had come to the Senate and was watching its debate over Arizona’s electoral vote with his sister-in-law and niece as the Capitol was being invaded.

Twice the vice president’s agents told Pence that they recommended he and his immediate entourage evacuate the Capitol, according to two people briefed on the episode.

Pence declined the recommendation both times, saying he did not want to be driven out of his own office and the Capitol by an unruly mob, the people said.

The third time, the Secret Service didn’t give Pence a choice, the people said. Detail agents told Pence they were all going — that instant.

They left the office for a secure room in the Capitol complex. The evacuation route they took is unknown. A group of snipers on the counterassault team that travels with Pence would have scoped out the path and ensured that it was clear.

Pence and his detail did not encounter any rioters on their way through the overrun Capitol, according to the people familiar with the events. In addition to the vice president, the group that evacuated to the second location included Pence’s family, his chief of staff Marc Short, his press secretary Devin O’Malley and several other staffers.

The Post is not identifying the location in the Capitol complex where Pence was taken for security reasons.

Once shepherded to the secure location, Pence remained there throughout the entire siege, even as most key congressional leaders were evacuated to an off-site secure location, according to administration and congressional aides.

It would take several hours before Capitol Police — aided by hundreds of D.C. police officers, FBI SWAT team members, Secret Service officers and National Guard soldiers — ejected the rioters from the grounds and secured the building.

As lawmakers debated where and how they should reconvene to continue the electoral vote count disrupted by the violent mob, Pence pushed to continue the session where it had begun — in the Capitol.

Once the Capitol Police gave the all-clear, Pence left his secure location and returned to the Senate chamber after 8 p.m.

Aaron C. Davis, Peter Hermann, Spencer S. Hsu, Joyce Sohyun Lee, Meg Kelly, Dalton Bennett, Elyse Samuels and Sarah Cahlan contributed to this report.

The proximity of the Jan. 6 mob to the vice president and the delay in evacuating him from the chamber — which have not been previously reported — raise questions about why the Secret Service did not move him earlier and underscore the jeopardy that top government leaders faced during the siege.

Pence was ultimately evacuated from his office off the Senate floor to a more secure location elsewhere in the Capitol complex. It is unclear exactly how long that took. But as the vice president made his way through the building, a growing number of rioters were joining their cohorts and coursing through the Capitol’s labyrinthine halls.

Once inside, they used pipes, flagpoles and other weapons to shatter windows and break furniture.

Many of those in the mob had their sights on Pence — enraged that he had refused President Trump’s demand that he head off the electoral college count that formalized President-elect Joe Biden’s victory.

According to the FBI, one man who was charged this week with trespassing and disorderly conduct after making his way into the Senate chamber said in a YouTube video: “Once we found out Pence turned on us and that they had stolen the election, like, officially, the crowd went crazy. I mean, it became a mob.”

At one point, a group of rioters began chanting, “Hang Mike Pence!” as they streamed into the main door on the east side of the Capitol.

One man who made his way into the Senate chamber reached Pence’s chair on the Senate dais. Shirtless, wearing face paint and a furry coyote-tail hat and ­carrying a six-foot-long spear, Jacob A. Chansley of Arizona left a note on the vice president’s desk that read in part, “It’s only a matter of time, justice is ­coming,” according to court filings.

Chansley — who has been charged with two felonies, including threatening congressional officials — told investigators he was glad to reach Pence’s desk because he believes the vice president is a child-trafficking traitor, but said he did not mean the note as a threat.

At 2:13 p.m., Pence suddenly left the Senate floor and was moved to the nearby office, according to C-SPAN footage and a Post reporter on the scene.

But the rioters were not far behind. They chased Capitol Police officer Eugene Goodman up a flight of stairs, arriving on the landing at 2:14 p.m., video footage shows — seconds after the vice president had been whisked inside the office.

Pence’s Secret Service detail stood guard at the door. Inside the office with the vice president were his wife, Karen Pence, his daughter, Charlotte Pence Bond, and his brother, Rep. Greg Pence (R-Ind.), who had come to the Senate and was watching its debate over Arizona’s electoral vote with his sister-in-law and niece as the Capitol was being invaded.

Twice the vice president’s agents told Pence that they recommended he and his immediate entourage evacuate the Capitol, according to two people briefed on the episode.

Pence declined the recommendation both times, saying he did not want to be driven out of his own office and the Capitol by an unruly mob, the people said.

The third time, the Secret Service didn’t give Pence a choice, the people said. Detail agents told Pence they were all going — that instant.

They left the office for a secure room in the Capitol complex. The evacuation route they took is unknown. A group of snipers on the counterassault team that travels with Pence would have scoped out the path and ensured that it was clear.

Pence and his detail did not encounter any rioters on their way through the overrun Capitol, according to the people familiar with the events. In addition to the vice president, the group that evacuated to the second location included Pence’s family, his chief of staff Marc Short, his press secretary Devin O’Malley and several other staffers.

Once shepherded to the secure location, Pence remained there throughout the entire siege, even as most key congressional leaders were evacuated to an off-site secure location, according to administration and congressional aides.

As lawmakers debated where and how they should reconvene to continue the electoral vote count disrupted by the violent mob, Pence pushed to continue the session where it had begun — in the Capitol.

Once the Capitol Police gave the all-clear, Pence left his secure location and returned to the Senate chamber after 8 p.m.


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16 Jan 2021, 4:34 am

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Interesting....Trump encouraging his MAGAs to go to the capitol and even saying he will be "with them" and to "show strength" and "not to concede". That seems fairly open and shut that he was the main trigger for the riots. Dog whistle.


He should grant them all amnesty for all federal crimes and apologize for the misunderstanding and for riling them up.



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16 Jan 2021, 4:51 am

ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
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Interesting....Trump encouraging his MAGAs to go to the capitol and even saying he will be "with them" and to "show strength" and "not to concede". That seems fairly open and shut that he was the main trigger for the riots. Dog whistle.


He should grant them all amnesty for all federal crimes and apologize for the misunderstanding and for riling them up.


I'd say he is more worried about his own oversized backside than worrying about MAGAs who (let's face it) he actually doesn't care what happens to them. Trump hates losers.



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16 Jan 2021, 5:38 am

he oughta hate himself then, the GDPOS.



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16 Jan 2021, 5:59 am

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he oughta hate himself then, the GDPOS.


He thinks he's better than his supporters



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16 Jan 2021, 6:02 am

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he oughta hate himself then, the GDPOS.


He thinks he's better than his supporters

his supporters are one side of the coin that he is on the other side of.



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16 Jan 2021, 11:23 am

cyberdad wrote:
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he oughta hate himself then, the GDPOS.


He thinks he's better than his supporters


There are news reports that Trump was unhappy that the rioters looked to be low class. He does not like low class things to be associated with him. It tends to tarnish his “image” of being rich and successful.



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16 Jan 2021, 2:32 pm

I wonder how many of those rioters were the same people that joined BLM protests and caused trouble?

And many of these minions were wealthy. They traveled across the US to be there. Only the poor ones would be from the area and some only went for the ride.


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16 Jan 2021, 5:14 pm

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I'd say something about soldiers needing rest and food, but I don't want to sound like a National Guard supporter.

I'm definitely more vigilant when there's pizza around.



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16 Jan 2021, 5:37 pm

Redd_Kross wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
I'd say something about soldiers needing rest and food, but I don't want to sound like a National Guard supporter.

I'm definitely more vigilant when there's pizza around.

s**t just got real, MAGAs.... Now The National Guardsmen got coffee, too...

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