The_Face_of_Boo
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18 Oct 2023, 1:08 pm
TwilightPrincess wrote:
Boo, what is the situation like in Beirut right now?
Edit: This is extremely concerning.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 023-10-17/
Edit: This is extremely concerning.
Quote:
Lebanon's Hezbollah denounced what the group said was Israel's deadly attack on a Gaza hospital and called for "a day of unprecedented anger" on Wednesday, as protests erupted outside the U.S. embassy in Beirut just hours after the incident.
Iran-backed Hezbollah, which fought a war with Israel in 2006, made the call for the day pf protest in Beirut in a statement late on Tuesday, after Palestinian officials said hundreds of people were killed in the strike on the hospital.
Israel's military denied responsibility for the bombing, saying military intelligence suggested the hospital was hit by a failed rocket launch by the enclave's Palestinian Islamic Jihad military group.
Islamic Jihad denied that any of its rockets were involved in the hospital blast.
Hundreds of Lebanese protesters, some waving Palestinian flags, gathered late into Tuesday night outside the U.S. embassy in response to the incident. Others gathered outside the French embassy in Beirut.
Tear gas was fired at protesters near the U.S. embassy in Lebanon.
In denouncing what the group said was a strike by Israel, Hezbollah said in its statement: "The attack reveals the true criminal face of this entity and its sponsor ... the United States, which bears direct and complete responsibility for this massacre."
Iran-backed Hezbollah, which fought a war with Israel in 2006, made the call for the day pf protest in Beirut in a statement late on Tuesday, after Palestinian officials said hundreds of people were killed in the strike on the hospital.
Israel's military denied responsibility for the bombing, saying military intelligence suggested the hospital was hit by a failed rocket launch by the enclave's Palestinian Islamic Jihad military group.
Islamic Jihad denied that any of its rockets were involved in the hospital blast.
Hundreds of Lebanese protesters, some waving Palestinian flags, gathered late into Tuesday night outside the U.S. embassy in response to the incident. Others gathered outside the French embassy in Beirut.
Tear gas was fired at protesters near the U.S. embassy in Lebanon.
In denouncing what the group said was a strike by Israel, Hezbollah said in its statement: "The attack reveals the true criminal face of this entity and its sponsor ... the United States, which bears direct and complete responsibility for this massacre."
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 023-10-17/
The protests organized by Hezbollah and their ilk (btw, I have no liking of them at all, I vote a different camp, none of my camp joined the protests because these protests' theme is about call for war against Israel which we are so against - it's not a protest of solidarity with victims of Gaza) only reinforces my belief (hopefully I am not mistaken) that Iran/Hezbollah won't join the war, not beyond the skirmiches game "for saving face" that they had been doing with Israel for so long. Hezbollah should be more busy with organizing his readiness for war rather than doing mass protests; these protests are simply to divert their populace from the fact that Iran has abandond Gaza to its fate.
Iran keeps talking about "red lines" not to be crossed, but it's too vague about what these red lines are.
It reminds me of a funny typical story in schools, do you remember the school mates who tell you go ahead, go hit the big bully, don't be afraid, we will back you up! And once you hit the bully, your supposedly team... disappears?
This basically what happened to Hamas.
18 Oct 2023, 1:26 pm
18 Oct 2023, 1:48 pm
18 Oct 2023, 2:08 pm
18 Oct 2023, 3:23 pm
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
TwilightPrincess wrote:
Boo, what is the situation like in Beirut right now?
Edit: This is extremely concerning.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 023-10-17/
Edit: This is extremely concerning.
Quote:
Lebanon's Hezbollah denounced what the group said was Israel's deadly attack on a Gaza hospital and called for "a day of unprecedented anger" on Wednesday, as protests erupted outside the U.S. embassy in Beirut just hours after the incident.
Iran-backed Hezbollah, which fought a war with Israel in 2006, made the call for the day pf protest in Beirut in a statement late on Tuesday, after Palestinian officials said hundreds of people were killed in the strike on the hospital.
Israel's military denied responsibility for the bombing, saying military intelligence suggested the hospital was hit by a failed rocket launch by the enclave's Palestinian Islamic Jihad military group.
Islamic Jihad denied that any of its rockets were involved in the hospital blast.
Hundreds of Lebanese protesters, some waving Palestinian flags, gathered late into Tuesday night outside the U.S. embassy in response to the incident. Others gathered outside the French embassy in Beirut.
Tear gas was fired at protesters near the U.S. embassy in Lebanon.
In denouncing what the group said was a strike by Israel, Hezbollah said in its statement: "The attack reveals the true criminal face of this entity and its sponsor ... the United States, which bears direct and complete responsibility for this massacre."
Iran-backed Hezbollah, which fought a war with Israel in 2006, made the call for the day pf protest in Beirut in a statement late on Tuesday, after Palestinian officials said hundreds of people were killed in the strike on the hospital.
Israel's military denied responsibility for the bombing, saying military intelligence suggested the hospital was hit by a failed rocket launch by the enclave's Palestinian Islamic Jihad military group.
Islamic Jihad denied that any of its rockets were involved in the hospital blast.
Hundreds of Lebanese protesters, some waving Palestinian flags, gathered late into Tuesday night outside the U.S. embassy in response to the incident. Others gathered outside the French embassy in Beirut.
Tear gas was fired at protesters near the U.S. embassy in Lebanon.
In denouncing what the group said was a strike by Israel, Hezbollah said in its statement: "The attack reveals the true criminal face of this entity and its sponsor ... the United States, which bears direct and complete responsibility for this massacre."
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 023-10-17/
The protests organized by Hezbollah and their ilk (btw, I have no liking of them at all, I vote a different camp, none of my camp joined the protests because these protests' theme is about call for war against Israel which we are so against - it's not a protest of solidarity with victims of Gaza) only reinforces my belief (hopefully I am not mistaken) that Iran/Hezbollah won't join the war, not beyond the skirmiches game "for saving face" that they had been doing with Israel for so long. Hezbollah should be more busy with organizing his readiness for war rather than doing mass protests; these protests are simply to divert their populace from the fact that Iran has abandond Gaza to its fate.
Iran keeps talking about "red lines" not to be crossed, but it's too vague about what these red lines are.
It reminds me of a funny typical story in schools, do you remember the school mates who tell you go ahead, go hit the big bully, don't be afraid, we will back you up! And once you hit the bully, your supposedly team... disappears?
This basically what happened to Hamas.
I hope you're right. I didn't really think you'd vote for Hezbollah people.
I voted for Biden. Oops.
Generally, I'd prefer someone further to the left, but at the time, I didn't think that would've been right for America, and I knew it was down to orange man or Biden anyway.
18 Oct 2023, 3:26 pm
18 Oct 2023, 3:46 pm
ALL governments lie when it suits their purposes. I don't entirely trust an American investigation, either, since they had already chosen a clear side. I trust no one. 
Investigations carried out by completely disinterested and unbiased third parties would be ideal, but they are hard to come by.
In other words, on this topic, my personal stance is still one of uncertainty, but once again, even if Israel isn't responsible for this particular atrocity, they still are for others.
18 Oct 2023, 5:04 pm
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18 Oct 2023, 5:28 pm
Dox47 wrote:
https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-israeli-news-channel-caught-a-gaza-rocket-launch-and-hospital-explosion-on-camera/
Center left Israeli news channel caught the whole thing on video, you can see the rocket launches from Gaza just prior to the explosion at the hospital. Seems pretty definitive.
Center left Israeli news channel caught the whole thing on video, you can see the rocket launches from Gaza just prior to the explosion at the hospital. Seems pretty definitive.
If it’s a real video. We have no way of knowing. I could probably find a teenager capable of making a video like that, whether with editing tools or AI generator or both etc.
Maybe it’s real and that’s the truth, maybe not and it isn’t. We’ll never know. That’s what happens in wars these days. We’re shown and told what to believe regardless of what’s really happening.
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18 Oct 2023, 8:35 pm
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19 Oct 2023, 2:08 am
goldfish21 wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-israeli-news-channel-caught-a-gaza-rocket-launch-and-hospital-explosion-on-camera/
Center left Israeli news channel caught the whole thing on video, you can see the rocket launches from Gaza just prior to the explosion at the hospital. Seems pretty definitive.
Center left Israeli news channel caught the whole thing on video, you can see the rocket launches from Gaza just prior to the explosion at the hospital. Seems pretty definitive.
If it’s a real video. We have no way of knowing. I could probably find a teenager capable of making a video like that, whether with editing tools or AI generator or both etc.
Maybe it’s real and that’s the truth, maybe not and it isn’t. We’ll never know. That’s what happens in wars these days. We’re shown and told what to believe regardless of what’s really happening.
That's my point exactly, and Israel is not God. Their word doesn't necessarily mean the absolute truth.
19 Oct 2023, 2:21 am
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-israeli-news-channel-caught-a-gaza-rocket-launch-and-hospital-explosion-on-camera/
Center left Israeli news channel caught the whole thing on video, you can see the rocket launches from Gaza just prior to the explosion at the hospital. Seems pretty definitive.
Center left Israeli news channel caught the whole thing on video, you can see the rocket launches from Gaza just prior to the explosion at the hospital. Seems pretty definitive.
If it’s a real video. We have no way of knowing. I could probably find a teenager capable of making a video like that, whether with editing tools or AI generator or both etc.
Maybe it’s real and that’s the truth, maybe not and it isn’t. We’ll never know. That’s what happens in wars these days. We’re shown and told what to believe regardless of what’s really happening.
That's my point exactly, and Israel is not God. Their word doesn't necessarily mean the absolute truth.
Right. But without trusting either side absolutely we have to compare the evidence and consider what's most probable. Is there any comparable evidence for the other side's claim that it was an Israeli rocket?
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19 Oct 2023, 2:57 am
Jono wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-israeli-news-channel-caught-a-gaza-rocket-launch-and-hospital-explosion-on-camera/
Center left Israeli news channel caught the whole thing on video, you can see the rocket launches from Gaza just prior to the explosion at the hospital. Seems pretty definitive.
Center left Israeli news channel caught the whole thing on video, you can see the rocket launches from Gaza just prior to the explosion at the hospital. Seems pretty definitive.
If it’s a real video. We have no way of knowing. I could probably find a teenager capable of making a video like that, whether with editing tools or AI generator or both etc.
Maybe it’s real and that’s the truth, maybe not and it isn’t. We’ll never know. That’s what happens in wars these days. We’re shown and told what to believe regardless of what’s really happening.
That's my point exactly, and Israel is not God. Their word doesn't necessarily mean the absolute truth.
Right. But without trusting either side absolutely we have to compare the evidence and consider what's most probable. Is there any comparable evidence for the other side's claim that it was an Israeli rocket?
Not really, I am leaning to the misfired rocket theory after thinking.
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