[IMPORTANT] Hamas launches foot assault against settlements.

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19 Oct 2023, 4:25 am

Looks like HAMAS propaganda is setting of fanatics elsewhere.
Drones attack US troops in Iraq
https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-eas ... 5edbw.html
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-says-t ... 023-10-18/



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19 Oct 2023, 5:50 am

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I remember Israel denied first the Qanah massacre back then, but then evidence emerged that they were the culprit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qana_massacre

Maybe they should have simply boasted about how many miserable civilians they slaughtered :lol:.

The fact is that in a war, this sort of thing happens all the time. It may have happened 100 times in Ukraine over the last couple of years, but because the Russian mission there has a lot of popular support, it doesn't get the same sort of attention i.e. a Wikipedia article for each incident, whereas almost everyone hates Israel thus the need to make an accounting of each innocent person to have died at Israeli hands. As a citizen of a country that has also killed 10s of thousands of innocent people in war, I have no problem saying that.


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19 Oct 2023, 6:12 am

Does “almost everyone” hate Israel?

The US has killed a lot more innocent people than that in war.



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19 Oct 2023, 6:28 am

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Does “almost everyone” hate Israel?

The US has killed a lot more innocent people than that in war, especially if we go back to WWII.


Israel isn't that bad in the grand scheme of things of history. I just think the country is so entitled, blowing people up and playing the victim card, and world leaders tolerating it.


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19 Oct 2023, 6:30 am

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On further reflection, what would be the Israeli motive in blowing up a hospital and trying to frame Hamas?


I'm sure I read somewhere that the Israeli army ordered the evacuation of several hospitals a few days ago ( not sure if the hospital in question was included, and cannot find confirmation of this).

I know it's tomaytoes tomartoes but they claim it wasn't Hamas but another group.

I cannot come up with a rational reason for a stitch up apart from trying to garner more worldwide support but most people don't agree with terrorism in the first place and I don't think any terrorist supporters are going to be swayed if it was a misfire. I think the majority of sane people just want the bloodshed to stop.


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19 Oct 2023, 6:31 am

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Does “almost everyone” hate Israel?

The US has killed a lot more innocent people than that in war.


I think most members here live in a country that has committed war crimes (and got away with it).


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19 Oct 2023, 6:31 am

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Does “almost everyone” hate Israel?

If you consider the entire world, those with any sort of opinion on the matter are overwhelmingly anti-Zionist. In America we are largely shielded from this fact. Of course, there are places where people probably don't much care such as in East Asia.

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The US has killed a lot more innocent people than that in war.

Yep.


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19 Oct 2023, 6:42 am

I’ve seen quite a bit of support for Israel in this war in Western nations, including in Britain, Germany, France, and Australia. I don’t think “almost everyone” hates Israel. I suspect that there are religious AND racial factors involved when it comes to who people choose to support or not.



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19 Oct 2023, 6:49 am

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TwilightPrincess wrote:
Does “almost everyone” hate Israel?

The US has killed a lot more innocent people than that in war.


I think most members here live in a country that has committed war crimes (and got away with it).

Yep, that’s true. I hate it when people are indoctrinated to believe otherwise.

I was going to make a distasteful joke, but I restrained myself just in the nick of time.



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19 Oct 2023, 6:56 am

Seeing that anti-Zionism is conflated with antisemitism and members have been banned from this forum for being anti-Zionism ( people have lost their jobs for it too) , I suspect a lot of people prefer to stay quiet on the matter regarding Israel for fear of false allegations - damn pesky crypto-antisemites :roll:


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19 Oct 2023, 7:08 am

Yeah, I have thoughts about Zionism, but I better not voice them.

From what I’ve seen, some individuals struggle with the concept of the oppressed becoming the oppressor.



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19 Oct 2023, 7:17 am

A Chinese proverb says: “When the wise man points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger.”

The fool is often a clever man disguised as a simpleton.

He has his own interest in denying the objective existence of the moon and directs the attention of an entire crowd to the facets of a nail or to almost invisible cuticles.

Likewise, in a speech about the common good, the fool
* which does not conceive of the common good * instrumentally reduces everything to subjective questions.

It is a dynamic that occurs in any area of human existence, from political scenarios to traffic disputes, from climate issues to the most banal condominium meetings.

It is not surprising if, if you are hit by a collision at night at a red light, you are accused of having a black car and therefore not perfectly visible;

or if, when inviting you to remove old asbestos boxes from the terrace of a building, you hear the answer: "Those boxes have never killed anyone!"

and we are accused of wanting to do an injustice to those who have to continue to hang out the laundry.


Sometimes torts are not only endorsed, but defended just as if they were rights. The essay persists in pointing to the moon: he collects evidence, documents, photographs, enlargements, analyses.

"Here she is!" he reiterates, showing it. But the fool is always ready to reply: "It must be a reflection from some street lamp" or "It must be that your finger was shiny."

Nothing can make those who want to continue not seeing the moon see the moon, because the wise and the foolish speak two different languages: one is that of those who want to understand, the other is that of those who want to cover.

Sometimes, in order not to show the moon, the fool would be ready to cut off the finger that points to it.

If I have always loved fairy tales it is because in them the distinction between victim and executioner is clear, a distinction which, however, requires effort, decades and tragedies (and sometimes not even enough) to be admitted into reality.

Every day we witness executioners who want to pass themselves off as victims. Of Little Red Riding Hood today the wolf would say that it was she who provoked him, that she was unpleasant with those braids of hers, that she was looking for it a little when she went into the woods, that he had never bothered anyone, that if he had made a mistake 'he had done it in good faith: he wanted to put the baby in his stomach just to keep her warm, considering it was winter.

Tones would be judged, not actions; faces, not facts; the inconsistent would be placed on the scales until it weighs more than any other counterweight of truth.

If I have always loved fairy tales it is because in there, if you look closely, the roles are clear and the facts establish them.

Between victim and executioner, I'm on the victim's side.

I prefer those who resist to those who rage, I prefer those who are judged to those who judge with extreme superficiality.

I prefer to live with the three-dimensionality of a conscience rather than live in the flatness of those who do not possess it or have lost it.

I couldn't trade this sense of richness for anything else.

I'd rather look at the moon than the wart on my finger.

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Do you think you know the truth even about the progress of a war?

Or what have you ever been told?

The winners write """"The truth of what happened"""

Yes, but truly certain that there is only one war, battle, raids, good and bad,

The bad guys are always...The others

(Please note: those we should consider AS SUCH!)

There are no good people, there are no bad people, there are no right people, there are no wrong people, there is nothing you have informational CLARITY about and you will never, ever have it.

They convinced you that separate states existed.

That is, miniaturized states...of a pan-Arab state.

Have you ever looked at a geographical map with such REGULAR, precise and lost borders as between Africa and the Middle East?

The only certainty is that there is no certainty.

They'll tell you about it.
And everyone knows everything they didn't know until the day before last.

In other forums I saw people knowing very well about cities like Mariupol and others who didn't even know they existed until a week before.
Yet I swear they knew everything.

Everything that was instilled in them by their rulers.

So you know about Israel... which perhaps you know very little about, so you know about history about which you will never know anything true.

But only episodes... told...


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19 Oct 2023, 8:21 am

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Seeing that anti-Zionism is conflated with antisemitism and members have been banned from this forum for being anti-Zionism

Really? Let's ask the mods about this.

I don't recall anyone being banned for anti-Zionism, but I do vaguely recall at least one anti-Zionist being banned who was also advocating anti-Jewish conspiracy theories if I remember correctly, and who generally came across (to me, at least) as an all-around crypto-neo-Nazi.


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19 Oct 2023, 8:46 am

Mona Pereth wrote:
Recidivist wrote:
Seeing that anti-Zionism is conflated with antisemitism and members have been banned from this forum for being anti-Zionism

Really? Let's ask the mods about this.

I don't recall anyone being banned for anti-Zionism, but I do vaguely recall at least one anti-Zionist being banned who was also advocating anti-Jewish conspiracy theories if I remember correctly, and who generally came across (to me, at least) as an all-around crypto-neo-Nazi.


The Mods won't tell you who was banned or for what reasons, it's not done here unless a moderators post is made about it at the time or an ex-mod is telling you what happened.

We could be talking about different members here Mona.

PM me the members name and I'll tell you if it's the same one.


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19 Oct 2023, 8:48 am

It’s not like announcements are made when members are banned. The only time I suspect that a member was banned is when I observe behavior directly or indirectly and the person stops posting afterwards unless they do something bad enough to me to justify the Mods telling me directly.