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04 Aug 2010, 7:13 pm

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Alf Firebombs people, they are like a pathetic version of the IRA :x


Still making up stories?

How cute.


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04 Aug 2010, 7:16 pm

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wait, so when you joined peta they gave you a shock video to watch? Thats brainwashing sir

We couldent give less about 'Animal Rights' know why? Because there are still PEOPLE in this world without rights, ive been dealing with you hippy-styled terrorists my entire life.

Go fight in sudan and see if you care about some dog, pets are nice but nothing to throw a fit over when it comes to real and prevalent problems that your so obbsessed with leeching and diverting off.

Peta compares farm animals to Jews in the holocaust and has condoned the actions of Jeffrey Dahmer. Again and again we have to put up with hysterical nonsense, your not helping anybody. Infact its 'Peta' that has been putting people off animal rights for the last 30 odd years since nobody wants to be typed with terrorism


Ah, the old "one type of suffering is more justifiable than another" fallacy. You'd be hard-pressed to find a person who extends their circle of compassion to non-human animals while somehow excluding humans.

PETA's a terrorist group now? That's what you call standing on the sidewalk holding signs?

My, what would the Founders think?

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PS- "Hippy" denotes a woman with a generous figure. Perhaps you meant "hippie"?


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05 Aug 2010, 12:46 am

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unfortunately, the fbi has wiped out alf, labeled them a domestic terrorist group and long prison sentences await anyone going to the wall to help the most tortured animals.

What the hell do you mean, "Unfortunately"? To any sane person a human life is worth more than a non-human life, but you support a group that firebombs Humans for the sake of animals? What the f**k is wrong with you?


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05 Aug 2010, 4:24 am

Bethie wrote:
Leekduck wrote:
wait, so when you joined peta they gave you a shock video to watch? Thats brainwashing sir

We couldent give less about 'Animal Rights' know why? Because there are still PEOPLE in this world without rights, ive been dealing with you hippy-styled terrorists my entire life.

Go fight in sudan and see if you care about some dog, pets are nice but nothing to throw a fit over when it comes to real and prevalent problems that your so obbsessed with leeching and diverting off.

Peta compares farm animals to Jews in the holocaust and has condoned the actions of Jeffrey Dahmer. Again and again we have to put up with hysterical nonsense, your not helping anybody. Infact its 'Peta' that has been putting people off animal rights for the last 30 odd years since nobody wants to be typed with terrorism


Ah, the old "one type of suffering is more justifiable than another" fallacy. You'd be hard-pressed to find a person who extends their circle of compassion to non-human animals while somehow excluding humans.

PETA's a terrorist group now? That's what you call standing on the sidewalk holding signs?

My, what would the Founders think?

:roll:

PS- "Hippy" denotes a woman with a generous figure. Perhaps you meant "hippie"?


Animals arent people they dont have minds, souls, or morals, if we were to treat animals like humans theyde all end up in prison or executed



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05 Aug 2010, 5:29 am

ok leekduck, thats quite enough. seems this thread has been hi-jacked somewhat


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06 Aug 2010, 8:14 pm

danandlouie wrote:
right on punkycat. unfortunately, the fbi has wiped out alf, labeled them a domestic terrorist group and long prison sentences await anyone going to the wall to help the most tortured animals.

all you can do, really, is to act locally. maybe you can't put up with the humans you'll meet, but you can try. believe me, the reward of knowing you've helped a non-human animal is worth it. how about a ferret rescue group-they're america's answer to the meercat. the 'peta (ida, fs, lca, etc.) sucks' that you read here, it's just as bad in the real world. tis a shame. keep in your mind what ghandi said about animals.



I don't care about being labled as a terroirist. I was treated as one as a school girl. I think the other ALF members would be the ones who would treat me as a scapegoat as well. Ferrets ARE NOT meerkats. They are not even related. Ferrets are a mustelid (weasel) and meerkats are a moongoose. Ferrets are cute and all but they are NOT meerkats. Meerkat is spelled with a K, btw.


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07 Aug 2010, 4:45 am

nodice1996 wrote:
danandlouie wrote:
unfortunately, the fbi has wiped out alf, labeled them a domestic terrorist group and long prison sentences await anyone going to the wall to help the most tortured animals.

What the hell do you mean, "Unfortunately"? To any sane person a human life is worth more than a non-human life, but you support a group that firebombs Humans for the sake of animals? What the f**k is wrong with you?


Though firebombing is obviously extreme, I disagree with the assumption that humans are somehow more important than animals.

Well, first of all, the correct terminology is "other animals", since humans are animals too.

Now, other animals can actually be rather intelligent. Cats can actually consciously manipulate humans and look after themselves quite well, for example. Other animals also have personalities, I can observe this in my two cats.

Hell, as far as I (and she) is concerned, it's the cat that owns me :P

And here's a very serious question to anyone who supports the view that humans are superior to all the other species on this planet: what is it humans have done that means they deserve any sort of superiority? We're the only species that builds nuclear weapons and threatens to blow each other up, we're the only species that starts wars, we're the only species that needs a legal system to prevent massive riots.

Perhaps cats would run the world more sensibly than all the apes with superiority complexes that call themselves humans.



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08 Aug 2010, 12:33 am

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punkycat. wow, did not expect to be trashed by someone i was agreeing with. yes, i know that ferrets are not meerKats. ferrets can become human oriented and make great companion animals. meerKats, not so much. just a thought. ferret rescue groups are all around. ok, no more with the ferrets. i need to ask a question. you write that, or so it seems to a bizarre lifeform like me, you have no affection for the human animal. rather, that you would like to mutilate all several billion of them. fine by me. human things will always disappoint you. so, to the question, why does your avatar ask, 'why can't i fit in'? that implies that you want to fit in with HUMANS! can't mean animals that aren't human. they will treat you as you treat them. i love logic. this incongruity is causing great confusion and pain. if anyone else has noticed this and has an explanation, well, then by all means, explain!

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08 Aug 2010, 1:04 am

PETA blows. I like animals, but I also like having good meat to enjoy, a leather belt to keep my butt out of sight, leather seats in my car, products made of fur and wool, cow milk to make drinks and cook with, etc. There are some everyday things you'd never think of that use animal products. Synthetic oils, to name one.

At least the founder did an honorable thing by sterilizing herself.

ELF is definitely a terrorist group, too. A while back I heard about them burning SUV dealerships. As much as I hate SUVs, I also hate people who try to get their point across by destroying peoples' businesses. Not to mention, all the pollution that burning cars give off. Way to work against your own cause, idiots.



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08 Aug 2010, 9:27 pm

danandlouie wrote:
punkycat. wow, did not expect to be trashed by someone i was agreeing with. yes, i know that ferrets are not meerKats. ferrets can become human oriented and make great companion animals. meerKats, not so much. just a thought. ferret rescue groups are all around. ok, no more with the ferrets. i need to ask a question. you write that, or so it seems to a bizarre lifeform like me, you have no affection for the human animal. rather, that you would like to mutilate all several billion of them. fine by me. human things will always disappoint you. so, to the question, why does your avatar ask, 'why can't i fit in'? that implies that you want to fit in with HUMANS! can't mean animals that aren't human. they will treat you as you treat them. i love logic. this incongruity is causing great confusion and pain. if anyone else has noticed this and has an explanation, well, then by all means, explain!

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I want another ferret (I had one as a kid and he was basicaly my best friend) it irks me when people think they are like meerkats. They can be kept as pets, just not in the US. http://www.jackandmila.com/. Since meerkats are my special intrest and I know practicaly everything there is to know about them, I think I'd be more than qualified to have one. I'm considering moving to the UK or to South Africa in the future just so I can finnaly have one.

No, I really don't have any sympathy for humans. Being abused and bullied as a child sure dosen't help either. If it's mulating people who are abusing animals, I am all for it. I'd like to rip the limbs off of pedophiles as well. Sure there may be some innocent bystanders when the lab or whatever was destroyed but to me, this is holly war. No one complains when people bomb abortion clinics. I don't believe in bombing labs, but rescuing the animals and going after the scientists. I don't believe in hurting people for no reason just because I hate people but if aliens or something come along and destroy all the humans except for me, I wouldn't be phased.

My avatar is because I wanted to fit in as a child and Lion King is a special intrest. I'm thinking of changing it to Gir again.


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08 Aug 2010, 10:06 pm

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nodice1996 wrote:
danandlouie wrote:
unfortunately, the fbi has wiped out alf, labeled them a domestic terrorist group and long prison sentences await anyone going to the wall to help the most tortured animals.

What the hell do you mean, "Unfortunately"? To any sane person a human life is worth more than a non-human life, but you support a group that firebombs Humans for the sake of animals? What the f**k is wrong with you?


Though firebombing is obviously extreme, I disagree with the assumption that humans are somehow more important than animals.

Well, first of all, the correct terminology is "other animals", since humans are animals too.

Now, other animals can actually be rather intelligent. Cats can actually consciously manipulate humans and look after themselves quite well, for example. Other animals also have personalities, I can observe this in my two cats.

Hell, as far as I (and she) is concerned, it's the cat that owns me :P

And here's a very serious question to anyone who supports the view that humans are superior to all the other species on this planet: what is it humans have done that means they deserve any sort of superiority? We're the only species that builds nuclear weapons and threatens to blow each other up, we're the only species that starts wars, we're the only species that needs a legal system to prevent massive riots.

Perhaps cats would run the world more sensibly than all the apes with superiority complexes that call themselves humans.

Cats dont use tools. Cats dont create things. Cats dont have a language. I agree that humans are another species of animal, but as a human I am perfectly fine with wearing animal skin and eating animals. Animals also have violence, but lack the intelligence to use tools for killing.

(For the sake of convenience I am referring to non-humans as animals)

Also, punky, people do complain when abortion clinics are bombed.


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08 Aug 2010, 10:18 pm

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danandlouie wrote:


Also, punky, people do complain when abortion clinics are bombed.


Not in the conservative little hick town I'm from.


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09 Aug 2010, 5:11 am

nodice1996 wrote:
Cats dont use tools. Cats dont create things. Cats dont have a language. I agree that humans are another species of animal, but as a human I am perfectly fine with wearing animal skin and eating animals. Animals also have violence, but lack the intelligence to use tools for killing.

(For the sake of convenience I am referring to non-humans as animals)

Also, punky, people do complain when abortion clinics are bombed.


Cats do have a language, I think you'll find. It's a complex body language system, so us Aspies probably won't be able to understand it :lol:

Other animals also kill each other, I guess, but there's something horrible about how humans do it institutionally then try to rationalise it IMO. As far as I'm concerned, killing another animal is just as bad as killing a human.

The main problem I have, however, is with the assumption of superiority so many humans seem to have. You are not better than every other species on the planet. In fact, 98% of your DNA comes from apes. Deal with it.



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15 Aug 2010, 5:30 pm

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Animals arent people they dont have minds, souls, or morals, if we were to treat animals like humans theyde all end up in prison or executed


You sound like a plantation owner defending slavery. :D


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15 Aug 2010, 6:40 pm

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According to PETA, these were animals that had feline AIDS, leukemia, Parvo, and for severely ill or dying pets. I think that this picture is misleading.

edit: grammar, missing 'that'


No. Peta actually kills them for no reason. I'm not kidding.

When I saw this title, I thought, Ugh, what have they done now. I oppose most of their practices. especially the sexist practice of putting naked women into cages and making them act like dogs. They think it makes of point, but it doesn't.

Here are some examples: (light nudity) I couldn't find the one I was talking about, but here you go.



:Pregnant women naked in cages: http://adland.tv/content/peta-recycling ... restaurant
Women in yellow bikinis in cages: http://classic.feministing.com/archives/009216.html
Women painted as tiger in cage: http://www.laweekly.com/2008-07-17/colu ... ey-circus/

also, don't forget the milk autism billboards they had up. These people are nuts. They'll do anything shocking to get people to listen, and it doesn't work. It just makes people think they're freaky.

http://www.rajuabju.com/literature/peta.htm
http://www.peta.org/feat/newkirk/will.html



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15 Aug 2010, 6:44 pm

Bethie wrote:
Leekduck wrote:
Animals arent people they dont have minds, souls, or morals, if we were to treat animals like humans theyde all end up in prison or executed


You sound like a plantation owner defending slavery. :D


I wouldn't say that, but I would say that that is utter bullcrap. Animals certainly do have minds. If they didn't they couldn't even think. We don' know for certain if anyone has a soul, but if humans do, then so do animals. Apes are animals, and science says we are related to apes. If we are related to apes, and we have minds, and souls, then so do they.