The REAL cause of the totenham riots...

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vox-pops on the state propaganda channel (BBC) ' ooohh mr vice president we feel so unprotected, pleease take away our remaining civil liberties'

as scary as this is (and it is moving in my direction) the thought of being 'protected' by that lot is SO much worse.

The 10 scariest words in the English language: "We are from the government. We are here to help."

I hear that the barbarian hordes are now using twitter to identify people talking about what areas are safe, find and attack them, and destroy the area. Twitter and it's users are now waring everybody to hide their location status and not talk about the whole area so that the barbarian hordes won't organize an attack. So much for this being about cuts in social services.

It's not always black people or Pakistanis doing the rioting and looting. Sometimes there are race riots and again there's the whole situation with rioting in Northern Ireland (which is co-ordinated entirely by whites), which is becoming more and more frequent over there.

It's not a racial problem; it's a scum problem. It's people who don't care about their own areas - or, in the case of Northern Ireland and rioting there, often co-ordinated by people bussed in from 30 or more miles away. Nothing changes: money is poured in, the police stand aside and let them riot, arresting some of the rioters in the days and weeks after, the politicians coo and the whole thing happens again six months later.

Exactly; the police will not lift a finger to help you if you are in that situation. They will not call in riot reinforcements. You are unarmed and thus defenceless.

The police will go in a couple of days later, armed to the teeth, in enormous numbers to arrest the rioters when they're at home.

Same each time. But while it happens, you are at the mercy of those criminal rioters. It must be very, very scary being caught up in something like that.

Hope you are ok cdfox7.

When the 1992 LA riots started to branch out in places and spread near me, my parents had a 12 gauge pump under their bed and a .357 on top of the entertainment center, and the others in the closet ready to go. My brother and I were well trained to leave them alone. They provided a measure of comfort that was more than a security blanket because those calibers are particularly good for making a threat go away one way or another. I wonder how many Londoners will change their minds about the UK's self-defense laws when the smoke clears?

Well whether we like it or not, history was made last night. The disenfranchised youth of the so called "sub-culture" of the UK finally let their voices be known in the only way they know how.
Maybe we will come to realise from this that the farce of a two horse race we call democracy that it isn't really a democracy at all. In fact it thrives off of peoples ignorance, politicians have no need for their vote so why give them a voice. Divide and rule.

Im NOT at all saying that this is the way they SHOULD behave, rather this is the only way they know how to behave. The crap music riddled with bad messages sold to them by massive multinational corporations and state media (Sony, BBC 1Xtra, etc) is all they know about being part of a culture/society. Do they know the difference between left and right wing politics, rite and wrong?

Google maps riot zones:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=2 ... 5,0.298691

There is new talk this morning of sending the army in. IMHO this would a massive mistake and would probably cause a division that would run for years. STUPID!

For those of you who think its a black problem and not a class issue, watch this:

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Barbarian hordes? Grow up... this attitude is EXACTLY my point, your statement somehow assumes that you are better than the so called barbarians.



I think you need to first sort out your own problems, if this was America, scores would be dead. Remember the shoot to kill policy of looters in San Francisco of people who were just trying to EAT!

Sadly laughable...

That's because most of them are - and are often drug dealers, violent yobs, and other criminals to boot. As I said earlier, set the CRS on them. If you can't take the risk of being beaten half to death or shot for rioting, don't do it.

Well, don't loot and steal, then. Order must be imposed in some form or another. And, as John_Browning says, what happens with these riots is that if they happen often enough and do too much damage, the people that suffer are the people that live there. No-one wants to invest in a place that could quite literally go up in smoke at any moment. So they don't. So when you want to buy a pint of milk, get your hair cut, have a cup of coffee and so on, that means travelling miles to do so because your own place is such a wasteland.

In the case of Ardoyne in north Belfast, it's the law-abiding people that live there that suffer the most. They live in an absolute dump - it's one of the roughest parts of NI. If you live there and are a decent sort you'll generally do whatever you can to leave if you're able. It's rough! As I say, a lot of the time rioters are not even from the area that they're rioting in (Coleraine?!) - so they're not damaging their own nests, they're damaging someone else's. And they have to pick up the pieces.

These are not people you should be making any sympathy for. They are out-of-control scumbags, pure and simple. All it takes is for a petrol bomb to be thrown at your house by these miscreants.

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I am not one to defend the police on every action - God knows, they deserve some stick for some of the other stuff they get up to at times - but I'm willing to bet they got the scenario absolutely right here. Black drug-dealing scumbag threatens violence and harm and gets himself killed for it. Local chip paper stuff. Scumbag is unmourned by decent society.

NEXT!

They are not scumbags they are not even truly bad. They are a by-product of a society who doesn't want or need them.



Agreed...

This shouldnt have happned in the first place. Where is the real scumbag right now? Mr Cameron? He has wound this up and ran away. He knew EXACTLY what was going on, his department would have seen this boiling on social networks for days!




In reality its a few upper class houses that have been burned down, though BAD this is obviously a manifestation of social tensions. Infact there has been relativity little violence directed at the general population considering the sheer damage done.



Do you even watch the news?

Did you even watch the video?

This is not a racial problem. please express your quasi racist views elsewhere!

They are scumbags and they are bad. I'm one of the 'yoof' of the UK but I don't express my displeasure with the way I am treated by smashing my community up and terrorizing innocent people.

Birmingham:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bi ... m-14452468

Liverpool:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-me ... e-14453303

Even Bristol:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-storie ... -23331831/


Always described as mindless... Is it really for no reason? I beg to differ. Many looters when asked what they were doing replied "getting my taxes back". Considering you would assume that many of the perpetrators don't even pay taxes. What do you think they believe they are owed?

Its only £55 a week to me and you, to them, its security. To the rioters Its like society has abandoned them.

To them your a rich boy, i know.

Have you ever had to cloth, feed and house yourself for pittance only for it to be taken away?

Well you probably will have done for arguments sake...

Do you think that any of them have even been given the social tools to get a job, house etc?

Looks like it...

Its not a childish goodies and baddies scenario you know. Try coming to your own conclusions rather than taking that crap the media churns out at face value...

cheers thanks god I don't live in south Liverpool, thos from what I been hear from ppl its scumbag in parts of the north that started it.. I been up most of them night to keep in touch to see of tow of my mate in live where the riots taken place are ok.

Plus a taxi driver told me that the police are closing off public places in that area as they think its going to happen again tonite.

Crazy...

My GF is in central London right now, she has taken my two kids to the natural history museum. Apparently its ok there at the moment.

Hope all goes well for your m8!

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