My thoughts on the English riots.

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I don't much mind what you choose to say, but I draw the line at jokes and schadenfreude. It is inexcusable, no matter how much baggage you choose to carry. Three people are dead and England appears to have taken a massive lurch to the right. You might want to give some thought as to how that might pan out beyond our immediate borders.

If the 3 people dead were rioting, that would fall under the subheading of 'play stupid games, win stupid prizes'. Otherwise, my condolences.

It's only logical that England just shifted to the right. Do you think they like feeling defenseless and helpless? Do you think people can really remain open-minded and sensitive to their "plight" when there is smoke in the distance and news that they are coming your way? Do you really think people are going to want to dump more money they really don't have into social services for people that are destroying everything in their path? Do you think people are going to want to import more impoverished and unruly people? Do you think people are going to want discussion of these events and how it affects them censored under absurd "hate speech" laws? The political left there had been getting tons of rope for years, and it looks like that may have just hanged themselves with it.

No Westminster the UK parliament is not to the right, the government remember a coalition government is centre-right.
Note England dones not have its own devolved parliament!



Who cut spending on policing and public order? It was this current government! Who cut spending on social services? Again it was this current government! Its funny that the political right forget thoses facts.

You know what's largely to blame, your own nanny-state mindset. You have been spending money you don't have and it's finally come back to blow up in your face. Your current government is conducting massive spending cuts in order to save your country! The longer they waited on this, the more painful it will be when the thing blew up.

Well who created this world economical mess in the first place, the USA. Socially this problem been created move that 30 years ago in this country. A good deal of our criminal gang underclass have been inspired by your country's gang culture!

Also this current public disorder has been fuelled by Facebook and Twitter, now which country did start them social networks off. Oh yes it was your country! 24 hour news also fuelled the copycat riots, now where did that come from oh yes America again. Its a very complex problem, so it would be a good idea if you stop blaming what started it.

Edit: re nanny-state mindset, has ECHELON slipped your mind, you yanks has been using that since the '60s

I wasn't actually making a 'silly little nationalist point' I was only making an observation.I support the UK but this isn't just about the UK
or England,it's a tragedy for the whole of humanity that people are behaving this way.In Scotland we already had mindless violence
earlier this year during a 'celebration' of the royal wedding,together with the sectarian bomb threats etc to footballers,so nobody is under any illusions.This is about human behaviour in general and affects us all.There may be underlying reasons to do with society,but it's not just a political or national issue,it seems that people from all different backgrounds and ages have been jumping on the bandwagon to get involved in the riots and use them for an opportunity to steal things and challenge authority of any kind.
I believe the 3 men who were killed were trying to protect their property and community.Condolences to anyone who's suffered loss or injury and I sincerely hope the murderer and all who've commited crimes are brought to justice.A lot of them have used Facebook to co-ordinate the attacks and let's hope that backfires on them because the police can use face-recognition technology with the CCTV images.

The EU and it's vassal states are responsible for their own economic mess. Socialists in some countries demanded unsustainable levels of government spending on social services, and now the EU is starting to go under trying to bail them out and the socialists are demanding to keep their social spending the way it is anyway and are refusing to accept the required austerity measures. If they did accept the austerity measures they would have to admit to themselves that their form of socialism (better known as closet communism) is a failure like it was everywhere else. They've made enough idiotic financial moves of their own that they don't have any business pointing fingers at anyone else.

How is the US responsible for the gang culture over there? I'm not going to defend gangsta rap as it's a bad idea, but seriously, what dumbf^ck decides it's a good idea to go out and do the stuff on a rap CD just because they heard it on a CD? I listen to hard rock that sometimes has violent themes but you don't see me running around pulling that s**t! There's something wrong with those people to begin with, as you can now tell, and those dumbass ex-con rappers that could give you a contact high by sneezing on you simply resonate with the depraved state your street thugs are in. You always had a noteworthy amount of scum in your underclass ever since they started moving to cities en masse. The criminals and street kids once they got old enough were kind of kept under control for hundreds of years by being conscripted into the navy, and the situation got worse during the industrial revolution. Your criminal element is nothing new, you just have dumbass street thugs that are attracted to dumbass gangsta rappers that are often still thugs. It's a meeting of the minds.



ECHELON was designed to spy on foreign electronic communications but got abused after the patriot act became law. Chances are they aren't even using the same system that they had in 2001, and chances are that even their warehouses of Cray supercomputers can't keep up with all the data coming in and they are likely drowning in it.

You may be interested to know: this has instantly created a new divide- criminal gang culture v English people ( from all backgrounds) out with cricket and baseball bats defending property and businesses, emerging with brushes the morning after to clean up.

There is a blitz spirit going around uniting good thinking people who want a society and not violent chaos.

We are not going to descend into evil.

Cool, hopefully there will be a massive outcry if anyone not rioting gets prosecuted for self-defense.

It is not simply about the size of the cuts. It is about the fair distribution of the burden and the perception that the English are being made to suffer most.

There's growing resentment towards Scotland in particular. Historically, public spending there has been around 20% higher for most of the last decade and, even after cuts, is still ahead of public spending in England. Giving rise to the belief that the UK parliament at Westminster cares more about appeasing those living in the three devolved countries than those living in England. Something has to give.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/667334c4-4d68 ... z1Ui7TTlyw

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 100959.ece

Before I get slated by the multi culti left wing PC brigade I know that white lads are involved in the rioting too BUT.............

We are now reaping the results of 60 years of none stop third world immigration into England.
Large parts of England have been turned from peaceful, pleasant places to live into third world slums inhabited by third world benifit scroungers. I hope that I live long enough to see a strong nationalist government in the UK and every single one of these dirty, smelly parasites deported.

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What a pathetic post. This intolerant crap is in my view the MAIN cause of the riots. It's not about political correctness either I believe I don't express these views because I am a decent human being. God only knows what the hell you are...

This is not true, the UK is NOT a nanny state. When the US was in trouble. Obama broke his credit rating, Cameron broke his people!

Did the EU start the subprime mortgage crisis?

I agree with that, thos in the past our criminal element had respect for the law and other people outside of there criminal activities. Our thugs now have no respect for the police, no respect for there elders, no respect for there parents, and no respect for there communities. I seen drug deals done in public places eg in the streets. I hear of old woman been beat up, I hear of neighbours being robbed by other neighbours plus I head of young kids being shot for playing in there own streets.




Your county has a history of nannying the world with its foreign policies, IMHO its hypocrisy to question my own country's domestic policies!

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Anyway I thought you far right scumbags would be happy. The EDL and BNP are doing great out of this.

I tell you, if EDL want to march in my town, ill go meet them! Seriously some of you need to take a long hard look at yourselfs.