Occupy Protests now trying to shut down Ports...

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Why is it that the only way that the "9%" thinks it can make its point against the "1%" is to prevent the "90%" from doing their jobs?

Shouldn't those trucks full of jobs be going towards the port?

Irrelevant.

Those American truck drivers are trying to earn a living, too. As are the American dockworkers.

Why does the "Occupy" movement hate working-class Americans?

Irrelevant.

the top one percent of the country owns 34.6% of the wealth in total net worth; the next 19% owns 50.5%; the bottom 80% owns 15%.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/deborahljac ... -equality/

Quit exaggerating

I have questions that I think should be considered.

1. What was the founding father's interpretation of our inalienable rights?
2. Is the current situation that is going on today a violation of any inalienable right based upon question one.
3. If two is yes, which rights specifically?
4. If two is no can these rights ever contradict when certain conditions happen? For example, Typhoid Mary.
5. If four is yes, how can these rights truly remain inalienable at all times?

You said 99% of the wealth is controlled by one percent right?


If this is so, then 20% of the population controls 85.1% of the wealth. This means 1/4 of the population controls most of the wealth. Is it true that he who owns most of the gold makes the rules? Does this mean the top 20% make most of the rules? If a person is not happy with the rules the 20% make is it possible to leave and expatriate themselves from the 20 percentager's influence? If it is possible to leave and expatriate and get from under their influence then why can't we all just leave? This means I would have to believe Fnord, reuven, inuasha and others are correct. If it is not possible to leave then I will have to side with the protesters and this means statistics wise the protesters are inaccurate with their numbers.

My question is before we decide any rights are being violated is is it possible for any person in the bottom 80% to expatriate themselves and leave? If we can, then I ask why can't we simply leave and vote with our feet?

Prove that its only 9% who are fed up with the current system, then you might have a point.

Well there are quite a few reasons it could be hard for one in the bottom 80% to leave the country...I for instance doubt I would get approved for citizenship in another country and I only speak english and have a hard enough time functioning as is I would have no real way to survive in another country. Unless I had friends there who could help.

What is wrong with wanting to make a stand and improve things rather than just run away anyways?

I said the worlds wealth & resources, and yes I think its around 1% controlling around 99% of the worlds wealth & reasources.

quit making accusations, if you have something that disproves it I will gladly look at it....but don't try and act like i am trying to exagerate to get a point across because there would be no reason for me to do that.

Good luck even finding a version of the item you want that's made in the US.

The problem I see with people who subscribe to neoliberal ideology is this, you guys boil everything down to the individual. Individualism is your value system. Yet, to really analyze and understand economic problems objectively your value system is useless. You have to look at the system as a whole. Otherwise there's no hope of ever solving the problems facing humanity as a whole. I see the current system of unfettered global capitalism as a huge train wreck just waiting to happen.

If corporations ship production overseas and pay wages that don't support a standard of living such that the people they are employing can afford the things they are producing they are hurting the entire global economic system.

Corporations currently rely on an over-consumption in the first world countries, but I don't think this can be maintained forever. I suspect the cost of energy is going to keep going up as the age of cheap fossil fuel sources draws to a close.

Sweetleaf, let's assume Fnord's stats and calculations are sound. This makes me wonder what are the 11 percentagers doing wrong. I assume you are unemployed as well am I correct? I am as well. My question is this, is it something about us? It can't be ASD or NT. There are NTs who are having problems as well. There are ASDs who do work. One case in point is Fnord. What is the commonality amongst us all? What is the factor or factors holding us all back? If we can discover the factor is it fixable and if not and no one will help or can help us whatsoever then my thoughts still stand. If we can't help ourselves in this society either then maybe it is time to walk away. If we truly can't get anywhere in our location then let's simply leave.

That really depends upon the type of item. Consumer electronics for example currently are, probably without exception, produced outside of the United States. Contrast this with tools, which are often still made here and are usually of higher quality than their foreign "equivalents."


"Humanity as a whole" is composed of individuals. Do you propose we treat it as an analog of a multicellular organism, where individuals are the "cells"?


The market works in a fashion similar to biological evolution. Most consumers select based on price, where the lowest price wins. In other words products with the lowest price are "fittest." Corporations will therefore do whatever they can to lower prices while still maximizing profit.


There are other abundant and inexpensive energy sources, e.g., uranium. The idea that our industrial society will collapse due to peak oil is nothing but fantasy.