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18 Nov 2012, 6:43 pm

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Well, Inventor, that was all T.E. Lawrence's doing, liberating that bit of land from the Turks.

A Brit on offical business, so you admit to owning the problem.

After being Lord and Protector of India, you left a bit of a mess there too.

England, the Bain Capital of Hostile Government Takeovers.

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19 Nov 2012, 12:00 pm

I don't understand why they wanted Israel anyway. It's crappy land, in hostile territory. [In fact there were numerous attacks through the 1910's and 1930's on Jewish settlers, not to mention they could be killed for not being muslim in some countries.] All of this could have been avoided, but heaven forbid people read a history book before making a decision like that.

And since some people are talking about occupation...Palestine was a British colony. It was just the least productive British colony. You didn't see the violence like what they have towards Jewish people towards British people.

There's too much racism on each side.

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19 Nov 2012, 12:13 pm

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Egypt agreed to not attack Israel in return for billions of US $$$. The good old USA paid a yearly bribe to Egypt to not attack them.

Also, Israel very nearly took them over in the 70's. Look up the October/Yom Kippur War. Surrounding arab countries attacked Israel, and while Israel lost a lot of people on a day when everyone was fasting and off-duty, they wound up in a position to take Egypt's capital. They gave all of the land they'd captured back as part of those peace treaties. At the time, it was either "Don't attack" or "experience roaring rampage of revenge" like the one after that particular war.

If they're still getting "concessions" then yeeeeeeah, that doesn't make me feel any better.

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19 Nov 2012, 12:16 pm

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Why did they want that land? Israel was in the historical Jewish homeland, not to mention the holiest sites in Judaism are all located there.

Plus, where else were they going to go? You'll note that pretty much every square inch of land that can be reasonably habitable is already claimed by other countries. Its not like they could just choose to carve any swath of "better" land they might have wanted out of any another country - they had to take what they were given and what alternative was there? A nice settlement in Antartica?

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19 Nov 2012, 5:00 pm

Inventor wrote:

Prof_Pretorius wrote:

Well, Inventor, that was all T.E. Lawrence's doing, liberating that bit of land from the Turks.

That's a tad harsh, don't you think ???

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20 Nov 2012, 3:25 am

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To those on this thread saying that Gaza don't attack Israeli civilians - I'm writing this post from the bomb-shelter.

Tsk.

I hope you and all other people there will be okay.

It is true, Gaza attacks Israeli civilians and that is unacceptable. However, if Israel retaliation becomes more or less the same, there will be no difference between them. As Gandhi said, ''eye for an eye makes the whole world blind''. That was my point.

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Because I have such poor ToM, I was never able to grasp why the West are so pro-Muslim if Muslims are so anti-West. Lucky you guys that you can understand Politics; I was never able to.

I think there is an oversimplification here. For example, Turkey has been trying to enter EU for ages, even changing their laws to adapt european lifestyle.

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20 Nov 2012, 4:02 am

Prof_Pretorius wrote:

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Prof_Pretorius wrote:

Well, Inventor, that was all T.E. Lawrence's doing, liberating that bit of land from the Turks.

That's a tad harsh, don't you think ???

I think its harsh. Colonialism is not a good thing, but overall the Brits were the best of a bad bunch and left a lot of places better than they found them.

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20 Nov 2012, 4:05 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boer_Wars# ... gnificance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizzie_van_Zyl

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20 Nov 2012, 12:10 pm

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LennytheWicked wrote:

Why did they want that land? Israel was in the historical Jewish homeland, not to mention the holiest sites in Judaism are all located there.

I know THAT, but considering the flagrant racism during the holocaust, they would want to avoid it, not throw themselves in the middle of it.

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Plus, where else were they going to go? You'll note that pretty much every square inch of land that can be reasonably habitable is already claimed by other countries. Its not like they could just choose to carve any swath of "better" land they might have wanted out of any another country - they had to take what they were given and what alternative was there? A nice settlement in Antartica?

Palestine was a British colony and was reasonably settled. That didn't stop them.

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20 Nov 2012, 12:13 pm

nostromo wrote:

Prof_Pretorius wrote:

Inventor wrote:

Prof_Pretorius wrote:

Well, Inventor, that was all T.E. Lawrence's doing, liberating that bit of land from the Turks.

That's a tad harsh, don't you think ???

I think its harsh. Colonialism is not a good thing, but overall the Brits were the best of a bad bunch and left a lot of places better than they found them.

Nope, that goes to the French.

The British screwed up the entire middle east, the US temporarily, and India. South Africa is still screwed up.

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20 Nov 2012, 5:26 pm

Just checked the news and the Israeli army is still standing on the border of Gaza. The USA has sent Hillary Clinton to broker peace. (I could comment, but I decline to.) The word is that if the humanitarian aid to Gaza suddenly stops, and all the phones go down, that's when the Israeli army will attack. Probably at night.

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20 Nov 2012, 6:43 pm

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nostromo wrote:

Prof_Pretorius wrote:

Inventor wrote:

Prof_Pretorius wrote:

Well, Inventor, that was all T.E. Lawrence's doing, liberating that bit of land from the Turks.

That's a tad harsh, don't you think ???

I think its harsh. Colonialism is not a good thing, but overall the Brits were the best of a bad bunch and left a lot of places better than they found them.

Nope, that goes to the French.

The British screwed up the entire middle east, the US temporarily, and India. South Africa is still screwed up.

Arguable, Algeria and Vietnam were right stuff ups, the reason Britain perhaps had more is their empire was way bigger. I note the french didn't abolish slavery in Africa till 1905, not very civil if you ask me.

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20 Nov 2012, 6:54 pm

Thank you, Somberlain.

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21 Nov 2012, 8:00 pm

There is a cease fire - at least no more babies and children are being killed by either side at the moment.
Wonderful news, I can keep my Fentanyl patches for now.
I was willing to send them to the Palestinian hospitals to ease some post-surgical suffering.

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21 Nov 2012, 8:02 pm

..and to maintain balance.

I wish I was born a jew and resided in Israel.

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21 Nov 2012, 8:11 pm

Palestine was not a British colony, it was a League of Nations Mandate, specifically a Class A Mandate: These were described as places that "... have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory."

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