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12 Apr 2013, 1:07 pm

Only 21% believe a flying saucer crashed at Roswell?
I've always thought the percentage was much higher than that.


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12 Apr 2013, 2:12 pm

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I'm hardly talking about every voting station in the country - just in those states where certain groups were targeted with voter suppression.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You are talking about the violation of Federal Law. Where are the grand jury proceedings. Where are the indictments. Where are the trials. Where are the convictions.

What you have implied are unsupported allegations. Now how about some -proof-?

ruveyn


I'm repeating what I've heard on CNN and MSNBC, which I consider to be reliable sources.

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12 Apr 2013, 2:13 pm

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I'm hardly talking about every voting station in the country - just in those states where certain groups were targeted with voter suppression.


There could be legitimate reasons as well. Perhaps a lack of suitable polling places in some neighborhoods. Or a lack of available election judges and workers in the precinct. Or a much bigger than expected turnout.

From http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/early-florida-voters-wait-long-hours-line-vote/story?id=17630774#.UWhDTaGjU24:
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With one day left for early voters in Florida, long lines that extend for blocks in some parts of Miami are affecting people's ability to vote. Several voters that Univision spoke to in and around Miami said they waited from three to six hours in line. Some, like Ms Arteaga, decided to leave because they had to get to work.

One reason for the delay is the ballot, which is more than six pages long. Voters are being asked not only to elect a new president but also to analyze 11 state amendments as well as several county questions. Some of the issues voters are being asked to weigh-in are: funding for abortions and religious freedom, as well as property tax issues affecting veterans and their spouses. This is the longest ballot in Miami-Dade history.

Despite requests from Democrats and Republicans to extend early voting one more day to Sunday, Governor Rick Scott stated he will not extend past Saturday.


So in this case, it was early voting where there are fewer places to vote for everyone. In my precinct, if you want to vote early, you have to drive either 20 miles to the nearest town or 35 miles to the courthouse to vote. On election day, there are far more polling places available, more voting booths, and more election workers to handle the crowds.

How many of these six hours to vote lines on the election day itself? All I can find were for early voting.


There were still fewer voting stations in certain areas, even on election day.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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12 Apr 2013, 4:25 pm

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There were still fewer voting stations in certain areas, even on election day.


I don't know about where you are, but around here, there is one polling place per precinct on election day for major elections.

For minor elections where few are expected to vote, they may have one polling place serve two or three precincts. In my county, that means two or three polling places total.

If they want more polling places on election day, they need more precincts. I'm not sure what the procedure is for splitting existing precincts into two precincts, but if they do, you can bet that it is going to confuse people when they go to the wrong polling place even though they had been going to it for years.

If you really wanted to disenfranchise the inner city poor, that would probably do it quite easily. I suspect that quite a few would rather scream how they were disenfranchised from voting instead of going to the new polling place.

By the way, if you want to complain about disenfranchising voters, have you complained about the New Black Panthers members standing outside some polling places to intimidate white voters in the precinct from voting? How about the wrongful removal of legitimate election monitors from some precincts?

Voter fraud goes both ways, you know. If you are going to complain about one major party's sins, isn't it hypocritical not to complain about the other major party's sins as well?

For what it's worth, I consider myself an independent. I'm not fond of the antics of any major party. The last time I voted for a Republican candidate for President, it was for Gerald Ford in 1976.



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12 Apr 2013, 5:46 pm

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There were still fewer voting stations in certain areas, even on election day.


I don't know about where you are, but around here, there is one polling place per precinct on election day for major elections.

For minor elections where few are expected to vote, they may have one polling place serve two or three precincts. In my county, that means two or three polling places total.

If they want more polling places on election day, they need more precincts. I'm not sure what the procedure is for splitting existing precincts into two precincts, but if they do, you can bet that it is going to confuse people when they go to the wrong polling place even though they had been going to it for years.

If you really wanted to disenfranchise the inner city poor, that would probably do it quite easily. I suspect that quite a few would rather scream how they were disenfranchised from voting instead of going to the new polling place.

By the way, if you want to complain about disenfranchising voters, have you complained about the New Black Panthers members standing outside some polling places to intimidate white voters in the precinct from voting? How about the wrongful removal of legitimate election monitors from some precincts?

Voter fraud goes both ways, you know. If you are going to complain about one major party's sins, isn't it hypocritical not to complain about the other major party's sins as well?

For what it's worth, I consider myself an independent. I'm not fond of the antics of any major party. The last time I voted for a Republican candidate for President, it was for Gerald Ford in 1976.


In primarily white or conservative precincts, there were no six hour lines.
As far as the New Black Panther party is concerned, that was only one incident, where a few social misfits tried to intimidate people - and got nothing but on the news. The kind of voter suppression I'm talking about is where the system is rigged against certain people by those in power.
I must say, this voter suppression thing is getting boring - let's talk about reptilian conspiracies or the hollow earth.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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12 Apr 2013, 8:28 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Kraichgauer wrote:

There were still fewer voting stations in certain areas, even on election day.


I don't know about where you are, but around here, there is one polling place per precinct on election day for major elections.

For minor elections where few are expected to vote, they may have one polling place serve two or three precincts. In my county, that means two or three polling places total.

If they want more polling places on election day, they need more precincts. I'm not sure what the procedure is for splitting existing precincts into two precincts, but if they do, you can bet that it is going to confuse people when they go to the wrong polling place even though they had been going to it for years.

If you really wanted to disenfranchise the inner city poor, that would probably do it quite easily. I suspect that quite a few would rather scream how they were disenfranchised from voting instead of going to the new polling place.

By the way, if you want to complain about disenfranchising voters, have you complained about the New Black Panthers members standing outside some polling places to intimidate white voters in the precinct from voting? How about the wrongful removal of legitimate election monitors from some precincts?

Voter fraud goes both ways, you know. If you are going to complain about one major party's sins, isn't it hypocritical not to complain about the other major party's sins as well?

For what it's worth, I consider myself an independent. I'm not fond of the antics of any major party. The last time I voted for a Republican candidate for President, it was for Gerald Ford in 1976.


In primarily white or conservative precincts, there were no six hour lines.


As I understand it, the inner cities are where the biggest problem is and those are usually non-white.

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As far as the New Black Panther party is concerned, that was only one incident, where a few social misfits tried to intimidate people - and got nothing but on the news.


At the one that got reported, they were there in 2008 and 2012. According to poll watchers, some voters were intimidated into leaving without voting.

Also, there were similar reports from elsewhere. There were, for example, reports of New Black Panthers members standing outside of polling places in Ohio to intimidate voters.

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The kind of voter suppression I'm talking about is where the system is rigged against certain people by those in power.


The biggest method of rigging the system may be when they have to redistrict and draw the districts in such a way as to garner the most support for candidates of one particular party. And neither major party shies away from doing that at all.

This is from a story on their voter intimidation:
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On the issue of poll watchers, one of the witnesses at the first hearing of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, Chris Hill, testified on that specific point and what happened when he got to the polling place. He was responding to a desperate phone call for help from one of the two black poll watchers who were stationed at the polling place:

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HILL: [Shabazz] immediately started with ‘What are you doing here, Cracker?’ And he and Mr. Jackson attempted to close ranks. I went straight between them through the door to find our poll watcher, who was inside the building at the time…he was pretty shaken up…he was visibly upset.

QUESTION: What did he tell you?

HILL: He was called a race traitor for being a poll watcher, credentialed poll watcher for the Republican Party as a black man, and that he was threatened if he stepped outside of the building, there would be hell to pay.


So there is witness testimony that both Black Panthers, including the one who was dismissed by the Justice Department, were physically threatening a poll watcher. And the witnesses made it clear that the two Black Panthers acted as a team, in concert, at the polling place.

...

Keep in mind that Bull and Hill were only at the polling place for about an hour, and in that short amount of time they saw several people turn around and leave rather than run the thug gauntlet set up at the front door to the polling place. And there is no question that the poll watchers stationed inside the precinct were terrified because of the threats that had been made against them by the New Black Panthers.

...

It is time, once and for all, for critics of this case to stop claiming there is no evidence of intimidation – the evidence is there in the record for anyone who bothers to actually look for it. And it is not even necessary to win a case for attempted intimidation – and no one can rationally claim there was not an attempt to intimidate. Don’t forget a crucial point that keeps getting missed – the New Black Panthers never contested any of these charges.

After she heard Hill’s testimony, Commissioner Thernstrom admitted that those people “were intimidated…I mean I take seriously when anybody is intimidated, and I’m not dismissing that experience of theirs…but nevertheless, it seems to me the case of the New Black Panther Party actually blocking people from voting would be stronger if there were more than three people that we’re talking about here.”

Really? So how many people have to be intimidated and prevented from voting before it becomes a “serious” case? How many poll watchers have to be threatened before it becomes a “serious” case? I have great respect for Commissioner Thernstrom but she is quite simply wrong about this case, about the evidence presented, and about the law that applies.



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12 Apr 2013, 8:57 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

I'm hardly talking about every voting station in the country - just in those states where certain groups were targeted with voter suppression.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You are talking about the violation of Federal Law. Where are the grand jury proceedings. Where are the indictments. Where are the trials. Where are the convictions.

What you have implied are unsupported allegations. Now how about some -proof-?

ruveyn


I'm repeating what I've heard on CNN and MSNBC, which I consider to be reliable sources.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


That is not evidence. That is hearsay.

ruveyn



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12 Apr 2013, 10:14 pm

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PPP has been noted as left leaning so that has to be taken into consideration.
I've heard that most of those beliefs exist in some people's minds but the percentages they give as a survey result are either inflated or the poll itself was selective.

Here are the nuttier ones:
• 20% of Republicans believe that President Obama is the Anti-Christ, compared to 13% of independents and 6% of Democrats who agree.
• 51% of Americans believe there was a larger conspiracy at work in the JFK assassination.
• 5% of respondents believe that Paul McCartney died and was secretly replaced in the Beatles in 1966.
• 4% believe shape-shifting reptilian people :roll: control our world by taking on human form and gaining power.


What is wrong with their education?
Why can they be so off?



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12 Apr 2013, 10:44 pm

eric76 wrote:
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eric76 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

There were still fewer voting stations in certain areas, even on election day.


I don't know about where you are, but around here, there is one polling place per precinct on election day for major elections.

For minor elections where few are expected to vote, they may have one polling place serve two or three precincts. In my county, that means two or three polling places total.

If they want more polling places on election day, they need more precincts. I'm not sure what the procedure is for splitting existing precincts into two precincts, but if they do, you can bet that it is going to confuse people when they go to the wrong polling place even though they had been going to it for years.

If you really wanted to disenfranchise the inner city poor, that would probably do it quite easily. I suspect that quite a few would rather scream how they were disenfranchised from voting instead of going to the new polling place.

By the way, if you want to complain about disenfranchising voters, have you complained about the New Black Panthers members standing outside some polling places to intimidate white voters in the precinct from voting? How about the wrongful removal of legitimate election monitors from some precincts?

Voter fraud goes both ways, you know. If you are going to complain about one major party's sins, isn't it hypocritical not to complain about the other major party's sins as well?

For what it's worth, I consider myself an independent. I'm not fond of the antics of any major party. The last time I voted for a Republican candidate for President, it was for Gerald Ford in 1976.


In primarily white or conservative precincts, there were no six hour lines.


As I understand it, the inner cities are where the biggest problem is and those are usually non-white.

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As far as the New Black Panther party is concerned, that was only one incident, where a few social misfits tried to intimidate people - and got nothing but on the news.


At the one that got reported, they were there in 2008 and 2012. According to poll watchers, some voters were intimidated into leaving without voting.

Also, there were similar reports from elsewhere. There were, for example, reports of New Black Panthers members standing outside of polling places in Ohio to intimidate voters.

Quote:
The kind of voter suppression I'm talking about is where the system is rigged against certain people by those in power.


The biggest method of rigging the system may be when they have to redistrict and draw the districts in such a way as to garner the most support for candidates of one particular party. And neither major party shies away from doing that at all.

This is from a story on their voter intimidation:
Quote:
On the issue of poll watchers, one of the witnesses at the first hearing of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, Chris Hill, testified on that specific point and what happened when he got to the polling place. He was responding to a desperate phone call for help from one of the two black poll watchers who were stationed at the polling place:

Quote:
HILL: [Shabazz] immediately started with ‘What are you doing here, Cracker?’ And he and Mr. Jackson attempted to close ranks. I went straight between them through the door to find our poll watcher, who was inside the building at the time…he was pretty shaken up…he was visibly upset.

QUESTION: What did he tell you?

HILL: He was called a race traitor for being a poll watcher, credentialed poll watcher for the Republican Party as a black man, and that he was threatened if he stepped outside of the building, there would be hell to pay.


So there is witness testimony that both Black Panthers, including the one who was dismissed by the Justice Department, were physically threatening a poll watcher. And the witnesses made it clear that the two Black Panthers acted as a team, in concert, at the polling place.

...

Keep in mind that Bull and Hill were only at the polling place for about an hour, and in that short amount of time they saw several people turn around and leave rather than run the thug gauntlet set up at the front door to the polling place. And there is no question that the poll watchers stationed inside the precinct were terrified because of the threats that had been made against them by the New Black Panthers.

...

It is time, once and for all, for critics of this case to stop claiming there is no evidence of intimidation – the evidence is there in the record for anyone who bothers to actually look for it. And it is not even necessary to win a case for attempted intimidation – and no one can rationally claim there was not an attempt to intimidate. Don’t forget a crucial point that keeps getting missed – the New Black Panthers never contested any of these charges.

After she heard Hill’s testimony, Commissioner Thernstrom admitted that those people “were intimidated…I mean I take seriously when anybody is intimidated, and I’m not dismissing that experience of theirs…but nevertheless, it seems to me the case of the New Black Panther Party actually blocking people from voting would be stronger if there were more than three people that we’re talking about here.”

Really? So how many people have to be intimidated and prevented from voting before it becomes a “serious” case? How many poll watchers have to be threatened before it becomes a “serious” case? I have great respect for Commissioner Thernstrom but she is quite simply wrong about this case, about the evidence presented, and about the law that applies.


I fully concede, those New Black Panther Party a**holes should be up on charges.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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12 Apr 2013, 10:45 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

I'm hardly talking about every voting station in the country - just in those states where certain groups were targeted with voter suppression.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You are talking about the violation of Federal Law. Where are the grand jury proceedings. Where are the indictments. Where are the trials. Where are the convictions.

What you have implied are unsupported allegations. Now how about some -proof-?

ruveyn


I'm repeating what I've heard on CNN and MSNBC, which I consider to be reliable sources.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


That is not evidence. That is hearsay.

ruveyn


I thought they had their facts straight.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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14 Apr 2013, 1:15 am

SuSaNnA wrote:
Raptor wrote:
PPP has been noted as left leaning so that has to be taken into consideration.
I've heard that most of those beliefs exist in some people's minds but the percentages they give as a survey result are either inflated or the poll itself was selective.

Here are the nuttier ones:
• 20% of Republicans believe that President Obama is the Anti-Christ, compared to 13% of independents and 6% of Democrats who agree.
• 51% of Americans believe there was a larger conspiracy at work in the JFK assassination.
• 5% of respondents believe that Paul McCartney died and was secretly replaced in the Beatles in 1966.
• 4% believe shape-shifting reptilian people :roll: control our world by taking on human form and gaining power.


What is wrong with their education?
Why can they be so off?


When Propaganda fails it must be the people, for the State that told you about the lone gunman has to be the truth, just like that Cop writing speeding tickets.

The Word of Government is the highest truth, and the ultimate is five to four at the Supreme Court.

When you have been lied to, nothing said is belived.

Gulf of Tonkin, Weapons of mass destruction, the need to raise taxes when oil is $100 a barrel, Atomic Power, so cheap there will be no meters, The light at the end of the tunnel,

Government and Religion are nothing but a pack of lies used to steal from the public.

They always have to spend more than they have, no matter how much they have. It is the way the spoils system works.

Do you really think that now is the time for the Stock Market to reach all time highs? Mass suffering due to the reduction in government growth, $85 Billion in a year, will send us back to the dark ages, but $85 Billion a month to the banks from the Federal Reserve is just good for business.

So they bought stocks, commodies, oil, and prices went up. It is what we used to call insider trading, market fixing, till those old fashioned laws were removed, to protect the guilty.

JFK's father produced those laws, Glass-Segall, and JFK was moving on the Federal Reserve, and the big banks, till he showed up dead.

All stock is owned by government retirement pension funds. They fixed their problem, and sent everyone else to hell.

Educate me about all the blood in Iraq, it was about saving rainbows for puppies? They would not kill all those people just to make money for a few, would they?

Government is a blood sucker that never quits till it kills the people, or winds up hanging from a lamp post.

So educate me about how this is all part of, The Jesus Plan.

You claim to know the truth, so tell us, what is truth?

I say it is, they did it for the money.



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14 Apr 2013, 10:47 am

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I'm repeating what I've heard on CNN and MSNBC, which I consider to be reliable sources.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


That is not evidence. That is hearsay.

ruveyn[/quote]

I thought they had their facts straight.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer[/quote]

They are not "facts" (which require, proper potentially falsifiable evidence and witness. They are assertions which you accepted without proper cross examination. You are gullible and you are sloppy in your thinking.

ruveyn



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14 Apr 2013, 7:54 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

I'm repeating what I've heard on CNN and MSNBC, which I consider to be reliable sources.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


That is not evidence. That is hearsay.

ruveyn


I thought they had their facts straight.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer[/quote]

They are not "facts" (which require, proper potentially falsifiable evidence and witness. They are assertions which you accepted without proper cross examination. You are gullible and you are sloppy in your thinking.

ruveyn[/quote]

If I appear sloppy, it's actually because I'm getting than a little bored with this back and forth on voter suppression, and would rather like to get out of it, and talk about insane conspiracy theories.

Say, any hear anything more about Methuselah still being alive inside the hollow earth?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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The Word of Government is the highest truth, and the ultimate is five to four at the Supreme Court.

^ What? They lie often... you have to have a good background knowledge and basic analyzing skills to think about stuff before you belief. Even with people who you trust most because they might not be accurate in every single thing.

When you have been lied to, nothing said is belived.
^ If every single bit of the lie is false, then that lie is not being successful, because it would be too easy for people to realize.


Government and Religion are nothing but a pack of lies used to steal from the public.

You can think this if you wish to. Better than people who fully trust their governments with no criticism.


Do you really think that now is the time for the Stock Market to reach all time highs? Mass suffering due to the reduction in government growth, $85 Billion in a year, will send us back to the dark ages, but $85 Billion a month to the banks from the Federal Reserve is just good for business.

I think this sounds too American for me to answer, you are making the questions unfair for foreigners. But I for one, do NOT believe the existence of the European Debt Crisis. It's a propaganda that makes people think less about USA's debts.

So they bought stocks, commodies, oil, and prices went up. It is what we used to call insider trading, market fixing, till those old fashioned laws were removed, to protect the guilty.

JFK's father produced those laws, Glass-Segall, and JFK was moving on the Federal Reserve, and the big banks, till he showed up dead.

All stock is owned by government retirement pension funds. They fixed their problem, and sent everyone else to hell.

Too American. If I asked you about stuff in Asia you won't be able to answer neither, so I don't need to answer.

Educate me about all the blood in Iraq, it was about saving rainbows for puppies? They would not kill all those people just to make money for a few, would they?

Government is a blood sucker that never quits till it kills the people, or winds up hanging from a lamp post.

It depends on what type of benefits that group of politicians are wanting.
If that group of politicians don't have a deal with weaponry/ oil companies, then that group of politicians would play with something other than blood.

So educate me about how this is all part of, The Jesus Plan.

You claim to know the truth, so tell us, what is truth?

Truth? Does education teach you what's going on inside the political field? I don't think so. By education I mean how they trained you to think and the foundation-- instead of being a robot.
Seriously, don't you feel that those people are way off?
What's the point of calling me Jesus?
Offense taken, thank you very much.

I don't have to educate you just because you told me so-- I'm not your slave nor your maid.
I just post this comment because I want to clear things up for MY OWN SAKE.



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http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_National_ConspiracyTheories_040213.pdf

When 4% of your population believes that shape-shifting reptilian people control our world by taking on human form, you know you're in trouble.

Even if those 4% are w*kers, there are some bigger percentages for equally ridiculous propositions.


I, for one, welcome our Reptilian overlords!



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15 Apr 2013, 8:22 pm

Instead of an age limit, we should have an IQ limit and screening on all political candidates and the people who are allowed to vote for them.