British soldier killed on street in London

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I had a good laugh when the second guy catches a few rounds for good measure when he's on the ground.

Probably not entirely justified (the first guy catching a few on the ground would be when adding heat of the moment to it), but I doubt anyone will care (which is a good thing in this case).

As a tech geek, I'm guessing some type of H&K SMG on semi (9mm or 4.6mm); they seem to be popular in Europe for police.

So did I.


A few bleeding hearts will care sooner or later and I can pretty much write their scripts for them since I know what they'll say.


The guns were probably an MP-5 SF (semi-auto only) and the handguns Glock 17's.
That's what the London Metropolitan Police have according to Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_police_firearms_in_the_United_Kingdom

I'm saying that the UK is an aggressor, and I'm saying that the UK's aggression caused these guys' aggression.

As for whether the attack was deserved? I have no idea. And that's the point. I don't have the moral authority to decide whether some guy I've never met deserves death. And neither did these guys. But to be fair, if you're angry about a war, a soldier who fought in that war is definitely a more relevant target than a newspaper salesman.

But that soldier only served his government, and so was hardly acting on his own volition. And his murderers didn't know this soldier from Adam, and so had no idea if he even had fought against Muslims.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

You are assuming that the victim was selected at random but there is the possibility that he was actively targeted.
With a voluntary armed forces it is likely that anyone of his age from that regiment would have served tours in Iraqi and Afghan conflicts.
The named attacker had lived in that area before, other individuals have been arrested for conspiracy it will be interesting to hear how much intelligence was used on their part.

As for the guy getting shot on the ground, he was still holding a handgun, so completely justified in my opinion.

The is no draft in Britain. Every one in uniform there is in uniform voluntarily.

Any Brit who has slain a Muslim has improved the world incrementally.

ruveyn

Why am I not surprised at your reply?

No, what caused them to choose aggression was their own ignorance and intolerance, nothing more.

As was pointed out before, they were literally caught red-handed - the blood of their victim was on their hands, both literally and figuratively. No one else is to blame for their actions.

Except they weren't caught - they just strolled around aimlessly until the police arrived and then, while carrying weapons, they charged at them. At armed officers. That really does deserve a Darwin Award.
It's more like "suicide by cop", or maybe an idiotic attempt at looking like martyrs.

Someone commented earlier about the UK being in a state of emergency - I think this might refer to the "threat level", that rather silly system supposedly alerting us to the likelihood of nut-jobs setting off bombs and whatnot. It's been at "substantial" for some time, IIRC. I suppose it means we should run around panicking with two paper bags over our heads instead of one, and I'm not sure how it's intended to be useful to, or help, yer average person on the street...
https://www.gov.uk/terrorism-national-e ... eat-levels
Last time I saw Faux Noise the USA was running that traffic-light system for the same reason, and it was displayed at the bottom of the screen by the rolling news line.

In America those guys would have been shot dead. your police need practice with their guns

But then they become 'martyrs' to those who share their beliefs. Shoot them in the kneecap I say, that might make some of the followers think twice. Certainly shooting them dead doesn't seem to be a deterrent.

WOOOOOH!! GO USA YEAH YEAH!! KILL EVERYTHING!
/sarc

Our police tend to be more careful, knowing that a live suspect is likely more useful for the purposes of investigation and justice than a dead one.

While I do feel that these guys should suffer for their crime it would have saved the millions of pounds cost to take this to trial and imprisonment.

I don't care what it costs - if we dump due process we're no better than animals.

but, but, but. I'm just saying, you could have saved a lot of money. now the people of the UK are going to pay royally to house these guys for the rest of there lives. if I'm not mistaken there is no death penalty there? It would have made more sence to kill them right then and there.

Agreed, just letting emotions get in the way of reality.