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04 Aug 2013, 5:20 am

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Why stop when you are on a roll?


But notice the crickets where the murder mob used to be... Tactical derail strikes again!


Ironic you refer to parents with kids as "murder mob"....this coming from a man with a menacing image of himself shooting a gun....



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04 Aug 2013, 5:48 am

cyberdad, knock it off.


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04 Aug 2013, 6:18 am

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Cyberdad - You seem to have chosen a sensational title for this thread with nothing to back it up. It also seems that you have inserted (specialist consultant) into your extract from the article, posted above. The person in question is actually a community paediatrician, quite a different role, I'm sure you will agree?

I feel the key point here is that a health professional could mistake a child suffering severe abuse for one with Autism.


Dr Chakroborthy was referred to by a school nurse as a "specialist consultant" in paediatrics. Hence the brackets....


No, the child was referred to Dr Chakroborthy by the school nurse, there is a large difference. The only consultant mentioned in the article you linked to was involved in treating his broken arm. I'll admit that the article is poorly written but that does not excuse your unwarranted extrapolation.

The article you linked to also seems to have the date wrong for when Daniel had his arm broken.

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The child has a sibling who was not abused. The "likely" reason for the selective abuse is because Daniel was developmentally challenged which the paediatrician suspected was autism.


Unless you have experience in this field, I doubt you can make reliable assumptions on what reasons these vicious people had to commit these acts. The introversion shown by the child in school are classic signs of abuse, the main point here, which you have ignored, is the misdiagnosis and system failure.

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The pair "constructed a careful and wholly untruthful account" that Daniel had a serious eating disorder and learning difficulties, for which he was receiving medical treatment. "This account was deliberately designed to prevent interference by school, medical and welfare personnel, and to perpetuate the brutality being meted out to him."

Quote from the Judge Mrs Justice Cox.

Evidence was presented at the trial of internet research by the parents, including how to poison the child. It is more "likely" that some effort was put into matching his "symptoms" to known conditions to cover their abuse. A tactic which was obviously successful up until the point that it was too late to save this poor boy.

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Yes, lets wait for the report...


Why didn't you do more research before making a thread designed to incite? There are enough real cases of autistic children suffering, your presentation here does nothing to help the situation.



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04 Aug 2013, 6:23 am

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I'd hate to see the child abuse in Poland.


I know quite a few Poles, they seem to cover the whole range of the human spectrum, the same as other nationalities, including a few child abusing psychopaths, as seen here. I don't think everyone in Poland tortures their children.



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04 Aug 2013, 6:26 am

Dox47 wrote:
neilson_wheels wrote:
Why stop when you are on a roll?


But notice the crickets where the murder mob used to be... Tactical derail strikes again!


Sorry, should have been a 'laughing face' there somewhere, but I didn't feel like laughing. :evil:



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04 Aug 2013, 7:18 am

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I'd ask what MA you prefer if I won't get lynched myself for derailing :lol:


Why stop when you are on a roll?


Sorry mate, I guess part of me still doesn't deal very well with the subject.


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04 Aug 2013, 9:31 pm

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I'd hate to see the child abuse in Poland.


I know quite a few Poles, they seem to cover the whole range of the human spectrum, the same as other nationalities, including a few child abusing psychopaths, as seen here. I don't think everyone in Poland tortures their children.


My statement was was intended to be more rhetorical.

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05 Aug 2013, 12:56 am

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cyberdad, knock it off.

My apologies squire...



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05 Aug 2013, 1:02 am

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Why didn't you do more research before making a thread designed to incite? There are enough real cases of autistic children suffering, your presentation here does nothing to help the situation.

Wasn't my intention to incite emotion. I'm posting this here because it's a news item and this is the news section of WP.
This has become a high profile case in the UK and the child was described as autistic by a pediatrician so I believe it's worthy of posting on WP.



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05 Aug 2013, 5:51 am

BenderRodriguez and Bill - I understand where you were both coming from, afraid I have a sense of humour failure on this subject.



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05 Aug 2013, 6:11 am

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Wasn't my intention to incite emotion. I'm posting this here because it's a news item and this is the news section of WP. This has become a high profile case in the UK and the child was described as autistic by a pediatrician so I believe it's worthy of posting on WP.


"Why didn't you read the article thoroughly and check the facts before making a thread? There are enough real cases of autistic children suffering, the way you have presented this subject here does nothing to help the situation."

I have rephrased the statement above to make it more clear for you. I can only see two options here, either you have issues with processing written statements or you are willfully ignoring the facts. If the former is correct then you have my understanding and sympathy, if it is the latter than you are obviously aiming to incite.

It is a high profile case and deserves to be, it is also relevant to WP, but not for the reason you have stated.

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In his evidence to the murder trial, Chakraborthy said he had no reason to suspect Luczak was lying and had considered a hypermetabolic disorder, as well as an autistic spectrum disorder, as the cause of the boy’s problems.


Above is the only mention of ASD in the original article that you linked to, if this confirms Autism in your mind I would be surprised.



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05 Aug 2013, 6:14 am

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BenderRodriguez and Bill - I understand where you were both coming from, afraid I have a sense of humour failure on this subject.


I doubt anyone sees this situation as funny.

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05 Aug 2013, 6:17 am

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BenderRodriguez and Bill - I understand where you were both coming from, afraid I have a sense of humour failure on this subject.


I doubt anyone sees this situation as funny.


Well I'm afraid your point is lost on me.



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05 Aug 2013, 6:22 am

Whats so hard to understand for me. So ok, whyever, they hate their child and dont want it anymore in their life. - So why the hell dont they give it free for adoption? Why not call social/children/youth-office and say "Hello. I hate my f*****g child. Before I throw it out of the window, please come and get it." Why leave for months, with someone I hate and torture him, instead of simply calling the officials, let them catch the boy, and be rid of him, without issues?

Whenever I read about such thngs, when parents torture their children for months and years to death, or even built cages for them or knows hell what, I simply dont get it. Why all that effort to kill someone, I dont care for, instead of simply let other people adopt and care for the child? Jealousy about something, that I hate so much, that I want to kill it? O_o



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05 Aug 2013, 6:32 am

neilson_wheels wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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BenderRodriguez and Bill - I understand where you were both coming from, afraid I have a sense of humour failure on this subject.


I doubt anyone sees this situation as funny.


Well I'm afraid your point is lost on me.


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05 Aug 2013, 6:33 am

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So why the hell dont they give it free for adoption? Why not call social/children/youth-office and say "Hello. I hate my f***ing child. Before I throw it out of the window, please come and get it." Why leave for months, with someone I hate and torture him, instead of simply calling the officials, let them catch the boy, and be rid of him, without issues?


The world does not, and should not, work like that, you can't just pass a child on if you decide you don't like it.