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and where did I say or even imply that a woman's place in is at home or in the kitchen? I didn't and I have never endorsed such a view. Can't the feminist types do anything
but assert baseless misogyny?

What is creepy is people like Kazynski, Farley, Haris and Klebod, Cho, Rodgers, Holmes, Lanza, Geddy, Rodgers, and countless others. What is important is to identify and understand what the problem is, the second is to devise a plan on how to solve the problem, and the third is to execute the plan. I guess people don't even like to try to handle the first prong, except yell misogyny, misogyny, misogyny, misogyny, misogyny. That is so helpful.

All of my facepalms.

I stated that I was giving you the benefit of the doubt in that you WEREN'T that type of person. And you most definitely have advanced the idea that women owe you something as a self proclaimed beta male.



You assume that none of them like nice guys or beta males and that they only want to be with men who are going to mistreat them. You assume they need to be educated more about men because they aren't intelligent enough to make their own decisions. You call for an end to restraining orders because you don't think women should be allowed to place them on men they are uncomfortable around. Just out of curiosity, what is your definition of discrimination?



Your posts imply quite the opposite.



And again you make make some ridiculously sweeping generalizations that if a woman doesn't choose you, she will be abused.



No, you advocate for a better world for one specific subset of males.



And you don't see how "marketing" yourself to women as a superior "product" is in a pretty screwed up way of thinking about things.



You are the one who refuses to learn and grow. You insist on maintaining your twisted world view that women don't like you because you are a "nice guy" and that they only are attracted to men who will intentionally hurt them. If you would bother to try to grow as a person, perhaps women would notice that you are trying to stop being such a self-obsessed megalomaniac who thinks that if only women were educated they would love you. Try developing yourself as a better person instead of sitting around obsessing about all the things that you think some obscenely violent men "got right."



Yes, that MBA I've got taught me nothing of business. People should not be treated like a commodity, and the fact that you believe they should does not help your case. And I find it amusing that you think I'm a "commie" based on the fact that I am calling you out on your imaginary fantasy world where you are perfect and women need to be taught that you are what they need.



Do you have any support for this whatsoever? And a few individual cases don't count. There are hundreds of thousands of restraining orders taken out every year, and I'm fairly certain you are going to have some trouble showing how most of them make things worse by using facts.



BS



This is something I have seen on the internet quite a lot, and it almost invariably comes from men who are quite open about the fact that women should be subservient to men. Any more misoguynistic crap you want to spew that you think will help your case?



And what exactly is your proposed alternative? That women should just do everything a dangerous man tells them to?



You are one twisted person. Do you seriously believe that If I threaten bodily harm to a woman who refuses to have sex with me, then there should be nothing to stop me from hanging around outside her door waiting for her to go to work?



You still seem to be laboring under the impression that only women can file ROs. There are plenty of men out there who file them, yet you cannot seem to open your eyes enough to recognize that this isn't some sort of persecutaion against men.



No. And the people who tell you otherwise are full of it. It may be attempted, but it will not go through and will likely result in civil penalties against the one who misuses this system. You can get hammered for making threatening phone calls, though.



So you are using the Constitution to justify allowing anyone who wants to invade someone's else's privacy? Do you see anything odd about that argument?



So you think someone who is terrified of her stalker should be required to show up in person to deliver the document saying "leave me the hell alone?"



Perhaps you need a lesson in law and history.



Such as?



So the reason people don't want to women be harrassed is because they get money out of it?

Please re-read your posts and pay attention to your repeated condescending and dismissive words towards women and those who advocate for them. Perhaps then you will see why you are a misogynist.

What is creepy is that you use many of those people's viewpoints (and often their very words) repeatedly throughout your posts.

That is why I am yelling the words, "misogyny, misogyny, misogyny, misogyny, misogyny." And I am yelling because talking was completely ignored.

I've largely stayed out of this as you have often focused on US particularities about which I know little, if anything, and sonofghandi has been doing a solid job of dealing with your nonsense.

But, just to clarify: I don't think women are weak. I mean, I'm sure there are 'weak' women, whatever you may be meaning by that, but I don't think that it is necessary to the fact of being a woman to be 'weak'.

Oh, and your anti-feminist stance renders you capable of thinking that women never go out with 'beta' men and that any non-'beta' man will treat her dreadfully, which isn't much of an advertisement for it.

I haven't been trained by anyone in feminism. I only draw from my experiences growing up in a house full of women and being with my wife for the past 12 years and seeing how they have been treated.



I have 3 degrees, one is an MBA with a concentration in health administration. I honestly don't see how anything I've posted can be used to support your belief that this is not possible.



I am saying that you have a poor grasp on these subjects if you think history is full of male persecution and not the other way around and if you seriously believe that restraining orders are a terrible idea.



My arguments largely consist of calling you on your unfounded claims and faulty logic.



This is pure garbage that only someone who believes that abused women deserve no help would say. Or perhaps someone who has not read the regulations, which I have. Regulations are something of a fetish of mine.



I have offered rebuttals to your blanket claims that you are somehow more discriminated against than women.



Heed your own words.



So your method of insult and attacks on society for your failings at romance are somehow more productive?



As opposed to your constant echoing of the same crap that led to a load of violence against others in the name of "nice guys" like you?



You seem to be making a lot of time for me.



It would hurt me, yes, but I wouldn't use it as some sort of justification to go on disturbing tirades against woman, their intelligence, how everyone should do things my way, and how we should eliminate all laws in place to protect women because feminism is commie talk.



I left off most of your off-base rant for brevity's sake. I will just say that the court system most definitely is broken in regards to divorce proceedings and custody matters, but I will also remind you that it is the court's attitude that treats women inferior, not mine.



I never said that it never happens. In fact I most certainly did say that every bit of the legal code has those who abuse it. And I also stated that that is no reason to eliminate it, as you seem to think would be the better alternative.



And you may want to climb off that cross and stop denying reality.



I have 2 sisters who have been raped, both before the age of 18. I have a wife who has been raped twice. I have a mother who grew up as a sexual object for a middle aged stepfather. I now live next door to a woman who had her face smashed in by a man who she refused to have sex with after he bought her a few drinks. I consider these to be eye-openers enough. But you go ahead and tell me how much worse men have it again.



And you don't see how this kind of drivel earns you the label of misogynist?



You should stop going to websites that are full of woman hating crap if you want to still claim you give two sh*ts about women as human beings.



This is a failing of the legal system as a whole, not some male targeting feminist conspiracy.



And you want to make up some imaginary demons to help you feel like more of a martyr.



I live in reality. I'm guessing that you live on websites dedicated to making you feel better about how terrible a person you are showing yourself to be. If you still want to know why women aren't attracted to people like you, I seriously suggest you start paying attention to the load of crap you are spewing about how restraining orders on men are all evil, how the VAWA is bad for men, and how you are so much better for women than a man who treats them with some basic human dignity and respect.

I would ask you to:
Actually started to have conversations with people instead of one sided rants.
Tried to understand women instead of insult them while claiming you care about them.
Realized that the world isn't out to get you.
Stopped holding up Rodgers and Cho as being justified in their actions.
Stopped playing the victim when someone calls you a misogynist for claiming that women are a problem.
Stopped assuming that laws to protect women are evil.
Stopped trying to convince yourself that I am uneducated to make yourself feel like you can dismiss me.
Looked up what the characteristics of a beta and alpha personality are.
Stopped assuming that anyone who believes women deserve better is a brainwashed feminist.
Started trying to better yourself so that women may not be as put off by you instead of just making yourself a worse person and telling yourself that it is their fault.

But you probably won't do any of these. You will probably just go back to your "poor men we have it so rough and women have it so easy" websites, talk about the things that murderers got right, write a big long manifesto about how terrible women's decision making capabilities are and how unfair society is for your shortcomings, blame feminism for the fact that no women are interested in guys like you, and stew in your own self-pitying hatred. If you do, that is your choice; I only hope that you do not do something irrevocably drastic.

Anyone else want to write Russian novels ???

(Never seen such long posts)

It seems he has deleted a few of his posts

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nerds was removed due to sexist and insulting behaviour.

Ive met a few young men who did not ask women out as they felt it was like raping them as women wouldnt want them talking to them. They felt so ashamed of their sexuality and desires and did not view themselves as desirable but as someone women would be revolted by. Hearing stuff about women being raped had made them fearful of doing the wrong thing and not understand that women are sexual and desirous of sex.

the trouble with the hashtag stuff is harmless men feel bad and bad about being men and their sexuality where as abusers dont care.

I now you did not ay exactly that, with the video I was trying to mock you and satirize your posts to their logical extreme, at wich point no one can take it seriously. Mad Magazine's been doing it for, about 60 years.

there seem to be a lot of what you call "harmless" men here on wrongplanet that don't take this hashtag personally and it does not seem to make them feel ashamed. i really don't understand this link; why, if you have no bad intentions, would hearing the stories of other people's bad actions make you feel ashamed of yourself? it makes no sense to me.

because men did those actions with their sex parts and they are men with sex parts so they think my gender is bad and my sexuality is bad.

i still don't understand this. i don't feel ashamed of myself when i hear of other women doing bad things to people--i understand that what some woman somewhere that i don't even know does has nothing to do with me and has no bearing on my perception of myself. i don't see how it possibly could.

well when people are nasty about single mums i feel ashamed so i can empathise with these young men feeling 'man shamed'.