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I didn't say it was sexually transmitted, when she's his wife she sees him all the time and his behaviors and hears what he says and his teachings so basically learns everything from him, every tiny detail.
It wasn't 'terrorism', people back then chased out prophet muhammad and Muslims and wanted to annihilate them, even before fighting back prophet muhammad tried with words but they didn't listen to him and continued what they did so that's why there was war, you can say it was similar to saladin and what he faced and had to do later- I think everyone knows about him. Also prophet muhammad didn't go off killing everyone; he actually had a Jewish neighbour who would put stuff in his way and try to hurt him but he didn't do anything about it, he was actually nice to him and treated him like a neighbour.

Warfare was never exactly a gentleman's agreement. It involved quite barbaric acts of cruelty and ruthlessness. Needless to say if you were to pile the bodies of the large number of the victims of the various conflicts within Europe and inflicted by Europeans on non-Europeans is like comparing Mount Everest with a small hill somewhere.

You are contradicting both the Hadith and Quran by claiming consumation was at 15? most muslim scholars accept he married Aisha at 6 and he consumated his marriage with Aisha at 9. We know this because both Quran and Hadith indicate poor little Aisha was playing with dolls and was pre-menstrual when Muhammed came for her to consumate. (In medieval Arabic society once a girl menstruates she becomes a woman which makes it impossible for Aisha to have been 15 and playing with dolls)

There is a very good wiki resource on islam and one article is published by a psychiatrist who diagnoses Muhammed as a pedophile. The evidence is overwhelming.
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Aisha_Age_of_Consummation
You will note there is no disputes inserted on the accuracy of the information.

Concerning the age of Aisha, there are so many sayings on how old she was at time of marriage, shortcut to the topic, Aisha was younger than her sister asma by 10 years, Asma was 27 year old while the year of immigration, aisha married 2 years after the year immigration which means she was 19 actually- so there it is.
I don't have links here, I read most about those stuff from non english books or sites.
And I don't know how you can diagnose someone's mental state when they lived before 1000+ years so you haven't even seen them, its even so much less accurate than online autism diagnoses tests.

To use a common Australian colloquialism I think "the horse has already bolted and escaped" on this one. Much of what was written in the muslim Hadith makes it unambiguous on the virtue of marriage to a girl prior to menses (meaning under 12) which reflects two things i) cultural practice of the time and ii) the conduct of Mohammed in choosing a wife who was yet to menstruate. In more modern times muslim scholars influenced by "western cultural norms" have attempted to seek redress and inflate Aisha's age in order to make Mohammed appear less of a pedophile i.e. draw attention away from the act. Of course even if you take away the age of Aisha there is still the issue of why he manipulated a trusted follower in order to "acquire" his wife (even the Quran does not dispute this) and why he needed to have 15 wives and an estimated 4-5 concubines. The issue here is that as a self-proclaimed prophet of god, Mohammed appeared to have very human weakness of lust/desire. This does not appear to be man concerned with spiritual needs but very much the material world.



Admittedly it's not ideal to rely on fragments of historical information to create a diagnosis. But ironically muslims believe that fragments of historic information put together by a self-declared illiterate man is actually the word of god!. Christians are not much better.

A girl prior to menses doesn't mean under 12 years old because there are so many girls out there getting it at 18 - 25 and there are so many rules for marriage so that you can get married its not just 'any male and female can marry' or 'any man can marry more than one wife if he wants', there are rules which should be abided first
Across the world everyone knows females are so much higher in number than males so if each man can marry only one wife then there would be so many unmarried women which would cause so many problems and it was never said that prophet mohammad is a being above humans theres actually an aya in quran saying something similar but I don't remember all of it and I don't know how to translate it correctly, picturing/drawing the prophet is forbidden so that people won't start worshipping him or something, there was a story if my memory serves me right when people were going to do that but were stopped because its forbidden
From what I know quran isn't fragments of historical information since its a whole book which stayed completely unchanged, many hadiths as well

"Everyone knows" there are so many more females than males? No, the sex ratio is pretty close to 1:1.

Probably, but Asia also had a few nasty events. The Mongols had a high body count, and then there was a war in China (forgot the name) with enormous numbers of people for that time. And they had their commie deaths, the Great Leap Forward.

I didn't notice that, I find it more females than males wherever I am but maybe in children males and females are kinda equal in number but as gowing up older males become lesser probably because they get involved more in accidents, get diseases more, males die more than females and die earlier too due to so many reasons, also giving birth to a male is rarer than giving birth to a female, even mental problems are more common in males which I bet prevents them from marriage
Worldwide females are more than males but in usa and western europe its 50/50 nearly

Actually more men than women are born, but it's only off by a little bit. Men tend to live shorter so in the end it mostly evens out.

I don't think it's that far fetched. First you eat all your food, then you eat your pet, then you eat your neighbour's pet, and finally when there's nothing else left you eat your neighbour.
My ancestors were refugees in the Thirty Years War, they fled Germany and went to the Dutch Republic, which at that time had been at war for much longer (80 Years War).

By the age of 36 women outnumber men and by age 100 women are 8 times more than men; more newborn males die than females (5 to 4), sudden infant death syndrome is one and a half times more common in boys than girls, as teenagers boys die at twice the rate of girls, men have fewer infection-fighting T-cells and are thought to have weaker immune systems than women, stroke, cancer, diabetes, heart disease and accidents- all among the top causes of death and kill men at a higher rate than women so I think those things make males less

I think the point is there is a "theological green light" in islam to have carnal knowledge with an underaged girl. This is undeniable. I am sure the majority of decent muslims would not consider this appropriate. Yet it's odd that in countries with total shariah law (Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia) share with ISIS that child brides are so common?


Yes I've heard this argument. It usually is put under cultural moral relativity. I don't believe Muhammad is any worse than other powerful men in his time. But the simple fact is he is neither holy nor a messenger of god.


Try and imagine how an illiterate man obsessed with warfare, wives and leader of so many followers could have had time write even 1 page? especially when he could not read or write?? I've read the English version of the Quran, it's clearly borrowed heavily from both the Christian bible and Jewish writing. It's called plagiarism....

Smh ksa isn't like that, the people there are normal people but with different type of clothing and a little more strict than other middle east places, child brides aren't common as you imagine, most wives and mothers there are 18 or above, they finish their studies before marriage or marry while in college; education and learning are very important in islam and passing it on too
If someone chooses to follow a certain fatwa let them because there are so many fatwas regarding those stuff, I think when people have to get married they have to be all grown mentally and have lots of knowledge because they're going to raise kids, so education comes first for both girls and boys than marriage, its the parents responsibility to look at this


Thats what you believe I guess but not what I believe, islam is my belief, I don't know how people view prophet muhamad like that type of person, he didn't even spend much time at home or rest, just because he led wars and had so many wives doesn't mean hes like that, there are many other reasons which I think I mentioned before


Quran isn't much like bible or torah, it does have some similar teachings I think, but the language in it and the words used in it are different, it's very fluent, the arabic in it is so much harder than the normal arabic because of how you should pronounce words in it in a very specific way, translated quran is so much different, and in islam prophet muhamad isn't the one to 'create' or 'write' quran

You could say this of any religion. At some point they were all made up by someone. The behavior of believers does not make sense unless some gods really exist.

The reason I'm making an effort here is because you are 16 and still have time/scope to think rationally. I would not have this debate with an adult muslim (or a fundamentalist christian) because I know from experience they are brainwashed.

There are two issues here. Child marriage < 18 and child marriage < menstruation. Girls married under 18 are common throughout the developing world for reasons that have nothing to do with religion. However when you focus on girls who have not yet menstruated then it seems to be the same places Bangladesh, Somalia, Yemen etc...in the latter I am proposing religion seems to play a part, if this is the case then something needs to be done.


True, but I am using western morals as a yardstick where child marriage is against the law.



You seem like a rational person. Have you actually read the entire quran? I have (at least the Englsih version). Belief in things that have no proof is in my view a type of delusion in psychological terms. Probably many religions (not jut islam) fall under this state of proactive ignorance including christianity.



Im afraid the majority of the Quran is thought to have been borrowed from the old testament jewish/christian scriptures. We know this because of examples of scientific errors made in the old testament that (mysteriously) are repeated again in the Quran. I'm quite sure Allah created the universe wouldn't believe in silly pre-astronomy human mythology about the solar system and starts.

Use you mind and question the merit of intellectual content in the Quran. Its littered with factual errors. Also note the Quran teaches followers not to question O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith." (Surah 5:101-102).
The Holy Prophet himself forbade people to ask questions ...so do not try to probe into such things." (The Meaning of the Qur'an, Maududi, vol. III, pgs. 76-77)
The prophet was asked about things which he did not like, and when the questioner insisted, the Prophet got angry. (vol. 1, no. 92) The Prophet got angry and his cheeks or his face became red. (vol. 1, no. 91) "Allah has hated you...[for] asking too many questions." (vol. 2, no. 555; and vol. 3, no. 591, Bukhari's Hadith commenting on Muhammad's reaction to hostile questioners.)

I guess at the end of the day its up to you too find the truth, as it is with the young men who join ISIS believing they will meet a martyrs end.