ACLU: Police encounters kill hundreds of disabled Americans

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26 Mar 2015, 12:58 pm

We need fewer laws, fewer cops, fewer prisons, and to actually hold these cops responsible when they kill somebody. We give these cops the benefit of the doubt when they are specifically trained the buzzwords that they need to say to get away with murder and have a culture which promotes a code of silence so with no other witnesses they can get away with anything, "he was reaching for his waist" is such horse**** I can't even begin to describe it.

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26 Mar 2015, 1:15 pm

Jacoby wrote:

In his dissenting opinion about the U.S. Supreme Court matter of Olmstead v. United States, 277 U.S. 438 (1928), Associate Justice Louis Brandeis wrote that “[i]n a government of laws, the existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.”

I never knew this, but my cousin, Associate Justice Harlan Fiske Stone (who was later chief justice) joined Brandeis in dissenting. Regardless, I believe that the Court made a huge mistake when (like too many Court opinions today) it chose to defend tyranny.

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27 Mar 2015, 1:17 am

Fnord wrote:

I respectfully disagree, Raptor. In my opinion, fewer police is not the answer; better screening and training for the police we already have is.

Keeping weapons out of the hands of known mentally-disturbed individuals is another good idea; as is taking better care of those deemed Non Compos Mentis by the courts.

(As I've said before, if good citizens are so all-bloody concerned about mentally-disabled homeless people being shot by police, then why aren't those concerned citizens taking better care of the mentally-disabled homeless people themselves?)

Of course, it would help to know which people are able-minded and which are not. If only there was an easier way of identifying mentally disabled people than hearing from their next-of-kin a day or two after a disabled is killed.

(Again, if a family is really all that concerned about their homeless relative after he or she gets shot, then why didn't they care enough to keep that homeless relative off the streets and away from the police?)

"taking better care of the mentally-disabled homeless people" (or even not homeless) is frequently not possible without committing them to a psychiatric hospital. It is very difficult to get someone committed. Even then, the hospital may discharge them prematurely. There are many caring family members that are helpless and at their wits' end.

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27 Mar 2015, 1:21 am

^^^^
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27 Mar 2015, 11:40 am

Fnord wrote:

I respectfully disagree, Raptor.
In my opinion, fewer police is not the answer; better screening and training for the police we already have is.

They have screening and training and lots of both. The bottom line is when they need bodies to fill positions they'll take what they can get. There's a money thing there, too.

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Keeping weapons out of the hands of known mentally-disturbed individuals is another good idea; as is taking better care of those deemed Non Compos Mentis by the courts.

Good luck with the weapons thingy. In a country with so many guns in circulation that would be like plugging the leaks in Hoover Dam with your fingers. It can't even be seriously attempted without throwing a bunch of people in jail for petty weapons violations which would be BS.

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(As I've said before, if good citizens are so all-bloody concerned about mentally-disabled homeless people being shot by police, then why aren't those concerned citizens taking better care of the mentally-disabled homeless people themselves?)

Of course, it would help to know which people are able-minded and which are not. If only there was an easier way of identifying mentally disabled people than hearing from their next-of-kin a day or two after a disabled is killed.

(Again, if a family is really all that concerned about their homeless relative after he or she gets shot, then why didn't they care enough to keep that homeless relative off the streets and away from the police?)

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27 Mar 2015, 11:42 am

I do see people try and help the homeless because I see food drives, charities, donations. At one of my old jobs, we kept having a homeless man showing up at our hotel and we kept on calling the cops and they would take him to the homeless shelter but he kept on coming back. The man was obviously not stable and had some sort of mental problem and he was obviously incontinent because he peed at the door and peed on the couch.

Some families don't even know where their loved one is who is homeless. It took my mom's families years to get my aunt committed and the state waited until her illness got so bad before they finally took her in. It's like you have to be sick enough to get help and if you are not sick enough, too bad, get sicker and then we'll help you. She has never been homeless because of her family. She had an apartment and her kids were given clothes and they were all given food by my mom's family. They were also given presents.

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27 Mar 2015, 12:12 pm

There once was this dude named Jesus that was trying to convince us not to kill ANYONE.

Why do we stop at just disabled Americans?

How about gays? transgendered?

How about blacks?

Why stop at just Americans? How about "collateral damage" from drone attacks in other countries?

Stop thinking only about yourselves, self-centered Aspies.

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