Appalled By How Cop Handles Teenage Girl!
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You need to know that this party had already been the site of multiple physical fights, very loud music and the party's own hired security was having lots of trouble keeping things under control. Also, the party was apparently leaked to social media and there were teens who did not live in the are nor were acquaintances of the home owners, arriving in droves and jumping over the fence to get into the property.
The video you see was shot sometime inside the 45 minutes the police were at the party. Witnesses have testified that this cop arrived first and was alone trying to handle the out of control teens for ~15 minutes before his backup arrived... meaning the video was shot after that time (since you see other officers). The witnesses also state this officer had been ordering teens to sit down and not move as well as telling others to disperse and leave the property and that while some teens obeyed, many did not. Some even got verbal and combative with him. This officer had already handcuffed several teens, including white boys and girls and had run out of handcuffs. This girl was one of those that ignored the officer and kept running around the area.
In the video you do see him still telling the kids to sit down and others to walk away.
Now here's the thing.. do you see the media showing what happened just before the officer grabs the girl? No. That is very conveniently cut out from the video. All videos I can find show him already grabbing her. Witnesses say the girl had been part of a group that had constantly refused to sit down or leave and apparently when the officer told her directly to leave she refused and that is when the officer grabbed her and forced her down. She resisted and it ended up being that 'violent' incident.
I see people crying foul about him drawing his weapon... did the fact that the officer became surrounded by teens , first a bunch of girls which he pushed away and then 2 rather big male teens coming in from the side as if they were going to rush him? You even see the other two officers running to the guy ...and that is not a run that started when the officer drew his weapon, they were already running towards him when those two guys came up at the officer.
Yes, he used force on her. You can even see it was a rather violent way of dealing with her. You need to put yourself on the shoes of this officer who for about 45 minutes had been trying to get this bunch of out of control teens dispersed or under control and then he gets one person that resists and struggles and THEN two guys rush him. His actions were not out of place imo.
But hey, the media is getting their ratings boosted and now another police racial scandal is being brewed..protesters showing up, etc... expect riots and looting soon to follow.
Oh, thank GOD----another voice of reason----I'm on "Team Dillogic / Dantac"! !
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If you really want to see footage of police-behaviour that is actually appalling try this...
Literal footage of men being killed in front of their very own wives/children, pet dogs getting attacked & killed, excessive numbers of cops ganging up against unarmed victims who get beaten/tasered/killed, damaged enough to require stitches (as happened with one of the girls in the footage who was only a fifteen-year-old girl after being chased down then tasered), etc.
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You need to know that this party had already been the site of multiple physical fights, very loud music and the party's own hired security was having lots of trouble keeping things under control. Also, the party was apparently leaked to social media and there were teens who did not live in the are nor were acquaintances of the home owners, arriving in droves and jumping over the fence to get into the property.
The video you see was shot sometime inside the 45 minutes the police were at the party. Witnesses have testified that this cop arrived first and was alone trying to handle the out of control teens for ~15 minutes before his backup arrived... meaning the video was shot after that time (since you see other officers). The witnesses also state this officer had been ordering teens to sit down and not move as well as telling others to disperse and leave the property and that while some teens obeyed, many did not. Some even got verbal and combative with him. This officer had already handcuffed several teens, including white boys and girls and had run out of handcuffs. This girl was one of those that ignored the officer and kept running around the area.
In the video you do see him still telling the kids to sit down and others to walk away.
Now here's the thing.. do you see the media showing what happened just before the officer grabs the girl? No. That is very conveniently cut out from the video. All videos I can find show him already grabbing her. Witnesses say the girl had been part of a group that had constantly refused to sit down or leave and apparently when the officer told her directly to leave she refused and that is when the officer grabbed her and forced her down. She resisted and it ended up being that 'violent' incident.
I see people crying foul about him drawing his weapon... did the fact that the officer became surrounded by teens , first a bunch of girls which he pushed away and then 2 rather big male teens coming in from the side as if they were going to rush him? You even see the other two officers running to the guy ...and that is not a run that started when the officer drew his weapon, they were already running towards him when those two guys came up at the officer.
Yes, he used force on her. You can even see it was a rather violent way of dealing with her. You need to put yourself on the shoes of this officer who for about 45 minutes had been trying to get this bunch of out of control teens dispersed or under control and then he gets one person that resists and struggles and THEN two guys rush him. His actions were not out of place imo.
But hey, the media is getting their ratings boosted and now another police racial scandal is being brewed..protesters showing up, etc... expect riots and looting soon to follow.
Oh, thank GOD----another voice of reason----I'm on "Team Dillogic / Dantac"! !
Well, apparently you're all on the wrong side because the abusive a**hole just resigned in disgrace.
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People trespassing on private property was why they were called; assaulting a security guard, other scuffles, and making a disturbance (whilst trespassing), were what was reported.
I'm only defending what I see in the video, and there's nothing out of the ordinary. The one thing we don't see that can point to specific things is why that one female was singled out.
Yes, abuse and misuse of force happens, but I'm not seeing it in this video.
From what the black teen who had recorded the incident said, the black kids present there in fact did have passes to be at the pool. From what I understand, someone had called the police after white adults started hurling racist insults at the kids, till threats of a physical altercation became evident. Just prior to the police arriving, an adult white woman, who had been involved in the name calling had been ejected. And lest we forget, this was happening in Texas, one of the most illiberal states in the country, so that a white police officer would behave so badly toward a small black teen dressed only in a bikini - only because she wouldn't leave - doesn't surprise me one bit.
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McKinney officer Eric Casebolt resigns; police chief calls actions at pool party ‘indefensible’
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That doesn't prove, anything----he could've resigned, for all sorts of reasons. He could've resigned to save the Department's "face"; or, he could've resigned because he wasn't getting any support, from the Department; or, he could've resigned because now he's getting death-threats----and, to stay-on, might put others in his Department, in danger.....
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McKinney officer Eric Casebolt resigns; police chief calls actions at pool party ‘indefensible’
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My question here is what exactly is this cop trying to accomplish? Even if there were previous unjustifiable actions by certain members of the younger crowd, I don't see a single positive action being taken to defuse the situation by the police officer. His actions escalate the situation and make things worse, not better. He would have been better off waiting for backup as well. If the crowd truly was a danger, he had no business going up against all of them at once. (So clearly he didn't actually think they were an immediate danger.)
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McKinney officer Eric Casebolt resigns; police chief calls actions at pool party ‘indefensible’
If your re-posting this, was in response to my last post----my statement still stands----though, I might also add that it STILL doesn't prove anything, just cuz the Police Chief said. The Police Chief is EXPECTED to say that----he has to "save" the Department's "face", as well!! No one knows what he may have said to the resigned police officer, behind closed doors!!
If you weren't re-posting it, in response to my statement----nevermind.....
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Even his own chief said his actions were inexcusable; I'm sure our thoughtless authority worshiping contingent will find a media conspiracy in that too.
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People trespassing on private property was why they were called; assaulting a security guard, other scuffles, and making a disturbance (whilst trespassing), were what was reported.
I'm only defending what I see in the video, and there's nothing out of the ordinary. The one thing we don't see that can point to specific things is why that one female was singled out.
Yes, abuse and misuse of force happens, but I'm not seeing it in this video.
Tell me who it was who assaulted the guard? Was he taken down to the ground by the cops?
You need to know that this party had already been the site of multiple physical fights, very loud music and the party's own hired security was having lots of trouble keeping things under control. Also, the party was apparently leaked to social media and there were teens who did not live in the are nor were acquaintances of the home owners, arriving in droves and jumping over the fence to get into the property.
The video you see was shot sometime inside the 45 minutes the police were at the party. Witnesses have testified that this cop arrived first and was alone trying to handle the out of control teens for ~15 minutes before his backup arrived... meaning the video was shot after that time (since you see other officers). The witnesses also state this officer had been ordering teens to sit down and not move as well as telling others to disperse and leave the property and that while some teens obeyed, many did not. Some even got verbal and combative with him. This officer had already handcuffed several teens, including white boys and girls and had run out of handcuffs. This girl was one of those that ignored the officer and kept running around the area.
In the video you do see him still telling the kids to sit down and others to walk away.
Now here's the thing.. do you see the media showing what happened just before the officer grabs the girl? No. That is very conveniently cut out from the video. All videos I can find show him already grabbing her. Witnesses say the girl had been part of a group that had constantly refused to sit down or leave and apparently when the officer told her directly to leave she refused and that is when the officer grabbed her and forced her down. She resisted and it ended up being that 'violent' incident.
I see people crying foul about him drawing his weapon... did the fact that the officer became surrounded by teens , first a bunch of girls which he pushed away and then 2 rather big male teens coming in from the side as if they were going to rush him? You even see the other two officers running to the guy ...and that is not a run that started when the officer drew his weapon, they were already running towards him when those two guys came up at the officer.
Yes, he used force on her. You can even see it was a rather violent way of dealing with her. You need to put yourself on the shoes of this officer who for about 45 minutes had been trying to get this bunch of out of control teens dispersed or under control and then he gets one person that resists and struggles and THEN two guys rush him. His actions were not out of place imo.
But hey, the media is getting their ratings boosted and now another police racial scandal is being brewed..protesters showing up, etc... expect riots and looting soon to follow.
Oh, thank GOD----another voice of reason----I'm on "Team Dillogic / Dantac"! !
I respect your opinion but it does cause me to feel a bit saddened. I can understand your reasoning and I am not disagreeing with the teens getting arrested, just the treatment of this particular small framed teenager, when you consider how the others were treated, and the fact she wasn't wearing a lot of clothing and she was scared. Dillogic noted they all scream they want their momma when they are getting arrested but if you review the footage, you can see no one was screaming that but her. The others weren't.
I read the cop resigned and I agree with that decision.
You can't argue that he's just a cop making an arrest because there's footage of other cops, no one is complaining about them. No one is saying, hey, you can't arrest teenagers for causing a scene and criminal trespass. I have no problem with what I saw from any of the other cops.
The one cop could have let his emotions run away with him. I know I would make a lousy cop because I feel my emotions would interfere at times, despite how I know it should never happen and I would be very regretful if they ever did because I know it's not ideal. Sometimes you have to look at yourself with honesty and say, you know what, I either need to control my emotions or find some other job. It's just facts.
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What, you mean a political decision due to having zero spine because of the media sensation over what amounts to teenagers being teenagers and police being the police with no actual abuse going on?
Yeah, no.
You start throwing police to the lambs and you have Baltimore with its 70+ murders per 100,000 people over the past couple of months.
