What are the causes of recent swarm of immigrants to Europe?
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Of course, especially since the Soviets had more than their share of problems in Afganistan. They suckered Dubya and the U.S. Into settling their Afganistan problems just like the French suckered the U.S. Into solving their IndoChina problem.
The Haitians had massive population growth in the recent past. They have no education. If you ask them if the world is full, they think you are stupid. The guys try to get an ego boost from having a lot of kids. Some will brag having over 30 children. I went for a job recently with a guy who kept bragging about his 12 kids by 10 different women. He kept trying to borrow money. They don't get married. The women keep popping them out. After the huge earthquake in Port au Prince there was a population explosion as the poor women had more babies in the hope that they would get guys to give them food or money.
They complain that it is the governments fault for not supplying enough jobs.
I have a Haitian guy in my apartment right now. He had a bad accident and used all his money in hospital. He is looking for work but like he said there are so many Haitians in the area. We will feed him till he gets back on his feet.
i worked with a woman from haiti. she and her husband had one daughter and adopted one.
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Well, I have a solution. Let's go to holy war against them and kill all Muslims and let God sort it out. You like that idea?
You seem to forget a holy war is not in anyone's best interest. Besides, it is a very small minority of Muslims that are causing the problems, whether it be the Middle East, Pakistan, or Croatia.
There is no doubt, that Arabic countries could have been well civilised and economically stable if not US, France, UK and Germany. Once they were an empire, they were very pro western in 1960's and they have natural resources to live good - the kind of resources that in our age form the base of civilised progress. Isn't that ironic that lands providing the most valuable resources are the most destroyed? Western countries greed destroyed the region for generations. I don't understand how one can doubt the destructive part on the side of western governments. How can one believe that invading and bombing a country is an act of liberation? This is western propaganda (that's for another thread).
All in all, I find it fascinating that the greatest mind in the field of human nature - Steven Pinker - wrote his recent book about how angelic we people become, walking away from our cruelty and inclination to war. All that despite it was him who reminded us that human nature needs a few factors to turn to cruelty:
- Economic crisis / shortage of resources
- Overpopulation / overwhelming immigration / ethnic tensions
Every major war started with these. Now we live during the times when these two factors increasingly gain presence in Europe, governments turn against each other, become protective of their borders, people become hostile towards immigrants and increasingly vote for nationalist parties.
In my view, left-wing European governments and their stubborn ideology of taking all refugees, legal and illegal immigrants alike can't work in their favour - when their citizens get poorer and feel increasingly more endangered. They had a good 70-year long ride on the corpse of Hitler, but they missed the point - although Hitler was one of the major players in Second World War, the causes lay in the human nature. Stalin - the western ally - was much greater evil. Jewish genocide was not the only genocide during IIWW. But we learn cherry-picked history. Although each country's history focuses on its conflicts with neighbours, Second World War was a war caused by similar problems we face today. Some wars are over money or political domination, but the biggest wars are over long-time resources (such as land) and genetic dominance. The book "Kings and Cannibals" nicely described how human populations go through these cycles in history - discovery of new resources, progress, population growth, stagnation and shortage of resources, tensions, war and cruelty, reduction of population. Anyone who studied history of wars or genocide, will know that these events reoccur during our history and form stable part of it, and therefore of human nature. In many ways, war is how human populations progress.
These are problems requiring deeper consideration and understanding, being able to accept evolution, being able to admit to being part of this earth's animal kingdom. What left-wing governments are doing instead, is telling us that we are noble, we are pure, we are so super humane that we have nothing to do with this earth. It is a crime to speak your mind, or to feel certain immoral emotions (hate crimes, xenophobia, islamophobia). They decide on whether "swarm" is offensive when used to describe refugees - now they are protecting humane nobility by banning certain words from application to our greatness. But one thing won't change for sure - they won't accept that in a large part we belong to animal kingdom, in large part we are driven by instincts and evolutionary behaviours. Too bad, because perhaps then we could understand this world better, understand ourselves better and work to resolve the underlying causes and prevent future conflicts. Instead we live in denial and think in systems downloaded directly from media.
Well, I have a solution. Let's go to holy war against them and kill all Muslims and let God sort it out. You like that idea?
You seem to forget a holy war is not in anyone's best interest. Besides, it is a very small minority of Muslims that are causing the problems, whether it be the Middle East, Pakistan, or Croatia.
Sorry about that. I meant it as sarcasm as we were going back and forth about so-called solutions. I completely agree with you on this subject.
Exactly how did Islam cause our meddling? The meddling is what caused most of these problems...
"Meddling" didn't make Islam what it is. The viciousness of these fanatics comes straight out of their Koran. Every time someone in another country does something wrong, it is the fault of the West, and the U.S. in particular, right? How's that? Their hatred of all that is good comes from the old Manichean belief that all flesh is evil, and only things of the spirit can be good. By us having more material goods than them, we must be evil. They can't see that our prosperity is rooted in a far more fair system then theirs.
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Exactly how did Islam cause our meddling? The meddling is what caused most of these problems...
"Meddling" didn't make Islam what it is. The viciousness of these fanatics comes straight out of their Koran. Every time someone in another country does something wrong, it is the fault of the West, and the U.S. in particular, right? How's that? Their hatred of all that is good comes from the old Manichean belief that all flesh is evil, and only things of the spirit can be good. By us having more material goods than them, we must be evil. They can't see that our prosperity is rooted in a far more fair system then theirs.
If you can't comprehend why what I said is so, I'm not going to bother explaining it further...
Also, why do countries with majority muslim populations always have such problems?
If you can judge a tree by it's fruit...
Your answer:
If you are, by nature, an angry Muslim full of viscous ideas and prone to viscous acts, and decide after studying the Koran that you should be killing non-believers, the "(super)majority" may or may not agree with your reading of the Koran (might even declare they don't agree with you) but they will all bless your right to interpret the Koran and take action following your own belief, even if it includes killing, rape and torture.
This is why you won't hear a total condemnation by Muslims of their homicidal Muslim brothers. Everyone, as you have seen demonstrated, can be just as viscous as they wish, and they call it "being religious and doing Allah's bidding."
Exactly how did Islam cause our meddling? The meddling is what caused most of these problems...
"Meddling" didn't make Islam what it is. The viciousness of these fanatics comes straight out of their Koran. Every time someone in another country does something wrong, it is the fault of the West, and the U.S. in particular, right? How's that? Their hatred of all that is good comes from the old Manichean belief that all flesh is evil, and only things of the spirit can be good. By us having more material goods than them, we must be evil. They can't see that our prosperity is rooted in a far more fair system then theirs.
If you can't comprehend why what I said is so, I'm not going to bother explaining it further...
Yeah, I'm ignorant because I don't agree wholeheartedly with you.
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Exactly how did Islam cause our meddling? The meddling is what caused most of these problems...
"Meddling" didn't make Islam what it is. The viciousness of these fanatics comes straight out of their Koran. Every time someone in another country does something wrong, it is the fault of the West, and the U.S. in particular, right? How's that? Their hatred of all that is good comes from the old Manichean belief that all flesh is evil, and only things of the spirit can be good. By us having more material goods than them, we must be evil. They can't see that our prosperity is rooted in a far more fair system then theirs.
If you can't comprehend why what I said is so, I'm not going to bother explaining it further...
Yeah, I'm ignorant because I don't agree wholeheartedly with you.
No, you are ignorant because you don't seem to understand English when it comes to following logic...
The peacemongers think our meddling made them upset. Maybe they would like us more if we banned bacon.
Don't mess with my bacon, man!
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