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04 Oct 2015, 9:06 pm

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The reason I'm "labouring this point" is because of a private conversation I had with Aunt Blabby the other night where we talked about the way people use words sometimes that are too general and entirely too strong and too much overkill, so it makes people think they are very fringe.


If the context of this argument is a private conversation you were having with a friend, then maybe it should stay private. This is the news board, not English class. You're derailing the thread to berate everyone about semantics. It's a little disrespectful, to be honest...

And I agree with auntblabby's charge of evil.

Janet Adkins and her buddies drew up a district that was designed to turn the voting black population into an even smaller minority than it already is. Her gerrymandering is intended to keep black people from voting. This is a deliberate act, by members of government, to benefit white voters at the expense of black voters. This is racism. This is manipulating and hurting people who have done nothing to deserve it; practically the textbook definition of evil.

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In this case, I see this not just as an effort to counter a liberal politician, but as part of an effort to roll back civil rights by reducing the power of black voters. To disenfranchise any whole group of people is evil in my eyes.


This guy gets it.


Why, thank you. 8)


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04 Oct 2015, 11:43 pm

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Janet Adkins and her buddies drew up a district that was designed to turn the voting black population into an even smaller minority than it already is. Her gerrymandering is intended to keep black people from voting. This is a deliberate act, by members of government, to benefit white voters at the expense of black voters. This is racism. This is manipulating and hurting people who have done nothing to deserve it; practically the textbook definition of evil.


Just out of curiosity, would it also be evil if it benefited black voters at the expense of white voters?



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04 Oct 2015, 11:59 pm

when has that ever happened here?



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05 Oct 2015, 12:05 am

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Janet Adkins and her buddies drew up a district that was designed to turn the voting black population into an even smaller minority than it already is. Her gerrymandering is intended to keep black people from voting. This is a deliberate act, by members of government, to benefit white voters at the expense of black voters. This is racism. This is manipulating and hurting people who have done nothing to deserve it; practically the textbook definition of evil.


Just out of curiosity, would it also be evil if it benefited black voters at the expense of white voters?


We might as well surmise whether it would be evil to murder Hitler acting as a good Samaritan.



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05 Oct 2015, 1:51 am

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when has that ever happened here?


Never. And that hypothetical question hardly justifies rolling back civil rights for African Americans, especially since there has been a long history of just that sot of disenfranchisement of said African Americans. The only time whites have claimed such at thing is when they resent African Americans getting their constitutional voting rights.


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05 Oct 2015, 2:50 am

Wow, such dodging for such a simple question; the non-answers are answers in themselves.


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05 Oct 2015, 12:24 pm

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Wow, such dodging for such a simple question; the non-answers are answers in themselves.


And how is my answer a non-answer? Black voters have never benefitted at the expense of white voters, except in the minds of racist whites who imagine giving voting rights to blacks takes something away from their deified white race.


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05 Oct 2015, 12:47 pm

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Wow, such dodging for such a simple question; the non-answers are answers in themselves.


And how is my answer a non-answer? Black voters have never benefitted at the expense of white voters, except in the minds of racist whites who imagine giving voting rights to blacks takes something away from their deified white race.

Take a good look at L.A.-L.A. Land gerrymandering. They come right out and say that they change district boundaries in order to create ethnic districts. The upshot of this is that various minority groups have a disproportionately large voice in the governance of L.A.
Take a look at what they just did in Palmdale, a city that has always had open ( non-precinct) voting. Now they say that the city has to go to a precinct system because it would benefit a small portion of the population at the expense of the majority.


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05 Oct 2015, 12:50 pm

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Wow, such dodging for such a simple question; the non-answers are answers in themselves.


And how is my answer a non-answer? Black voters have never benefitted at the expense of white voters, except in the minds of racist whites who imagine giving voting rights to blacks takes something away from their deified white race.

Take a good look at L.A.-L.A. Land gerrymandering. They come right out and say that they change district boundaries in order to create ethnic districts. The upshot of this is that various minority groups have a disproportionately large voice in the governance of L.A.
Take a look at what they just did in Palmdale, a city that has always had open ( non-precinct) voting. Now they say that the city has to go to a precinct system because it would benefit a small portion of the population at the expense of the majority.


But are whites losing anything?


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05 Oct 2015, 1:35 pm

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Wow, such dodging for such a simple question; the non-answers are answers in themselves.


And how is my answer a non-answer? Black voters have never benefitted at the expense of white voters, except in the minds of racist whites who imagine giving voting rights to blacks takes something away from their deified white race.

Take a good look at L.A.-L.A. Land gerrymandering. They come right out and say that they change district boundaries in order to create ethnic districts. The upshot of this is that various minority groups have a disproportionately large voice in the governance of L.A.
Take a look at what they just did in Palmdale, a city that has always had open ( non-precinct) voting. Now they say that the city has to go to a precinct system because it would benefit a small portion of the population at the expense of the majority.


But are whites losing anything?

This is a clear violation of the rules of proportional representation. If we allow these things to continue, who knows what will happen next.
And it's not just whites. This isn't a race thing, these are people who chose to leave L.A. because of many factors brought on by typical big city misgovernance. Many of these people opted to have a long commute to their work in L.A. so as to have a better life for themselves and their families. Then Los Angeles County enacted inner city renewal projects, which forced out the inhabitants. And where did they go? To the desert, where the rents are lower. So not only do the inhabitants now have to put up with increased crime and the typical over-taxing of social services, but also the tyranny of the minority. Oh, and for a capper, the county is on them to provide more services, which increases taxes, which also hurts working families. How is this fair?


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05 Oct 2015, 3:30 pm

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Can you put that in simple English for a foreigner.

So what you are saying is that there was white flight, the boundaries were redrawn, then they tarted up the place for white return thus driving out the poor, non whites, and lets not forget people such as us often unemployed, out of the city and yet these unemployed types still dominate the vote.

Did I get that right?



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05 Oct 2015, 3:41 pm

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Can you put that in simple English for a foreigner.

So what you are saying is that there was white flight, the boundaries were redrawn, then they tarted up the place for white return thus driving out the poor, non whites, and lets not forget people such as us often unemployed, out of the city and yet these unemployed types still dominate the vote.

Did I get that right?

People of all races who wanted a better life fled. It's not racial at all.


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05 Oct 2015, 8:49 pm

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Wow, such dodging for such a simple question; the non-answers are answers in themselves.


And how is my answer a non-answer? Black voters have never benefitted at the expense of white voters, except in the minds of racist whites who imagine giving voting rights to blacks takes something away from their deified white race.

Take a good look at L.A.-L.A. Land gerrymandering. They come right out and say that they change district boundaries in order to create ethnic districts. The upshot of this is that various minority groups have a disproportionately large voice in the governance of L.A.
Take a look at what they just did in Palmdale, a city that has always had open ( non-precinct) voting. Now they say that the city has to go to a precinct system because it would benefit a small portion of the population at the expense of the majority.


But are whites losing anything?

This is a clear violation of the rules of proportional representation. If we allow these things to continue, who knows what will happen next.
And it's not just whites. This isn't a race thing, these are people who chose to leave L.A. because of many factors brought on by typical big city misgovernance. Many of these people opted to have a long commute to their work in L.A. so as to have a better life for themselves and their families. Then Los Angeles County enacted inner city renewal projects, which forced out the inhabitants. And where did they go? To the desert, where the rents are lower. So not only do the inhabitants now have to put up with increased crime and the typical over-taxing of social services, but also the tyranny of the minority. Oh, and for a capper, the county is on them to provide more services, which increases taxes, which also hurts working families. How is this fair?


I can't speak on the situation in L.A. as I don't know anything about it, save to say that demographics change with the natural influx of people, and hence, taxes are going to go up with it.


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06 Oct 2015, 2:22 pm

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Wow, such dodging for such a simple question; the non-answers are answers in themselves.


And how is my answer a non-answer? Black voters have never benefitted at the expense of white voters, except in the minds of racist whites who imagine giving voting rights to blacks takes something away from their deified white race.

Take a good look at L.A.-L.A. Land gerrymandering. They come right out and say that they change district boundaries in order to create ethnic districts. The upshot of this is that various minority groups have a disproportionately large voice in the governance of L.A.
Take a look at what they just did in Palmdale, a city that has always had open ( non-precinct) voting. Now they say that the city has to go to a precinct system because it would benefit a small portion of the population at the expense of the majority.


But are whites losing anything?

This is a clear violation of the rules of proportional representation. If we allow these things to continue, who knows what will happen next.
And it's not just whites. This isn't a race thing, these are people who chose to leave L.A. because of many factors brought on by typical big city misgovernance. Many of these people opted to have a long commute to their work in L.A. so as to have a better life for themselves and their families. Then Los Angeles County enacted inner city renewal projects, which forced out the inhabitants. And where did they go? To the desert, where the rents are lower. So not only do the inhabitants now have to put up with increased crime and the typical over-taxing of social services, but also the tyranny of the minority. Oh, and for a capper, the county is on them to provide more services, which increases taxes, which also hurts working families. How is this fair?


I can't speak on the situation in L.A. as I don't know anything about it, save to say that demographics change with the natural influx of people, and hence, taxes are going to go up with it.

This isn't a case of ' natural influx'. This is a case of government ousting the 'undesirables' out of an area they wish to develop and dumping them onto an area that at this point in time they don't want. And then these self-same bureaucrats harass the outlying areas because their existing services can't handle the increased crime and other demands. :roll:


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06 Oct 2015, 5:26 pm

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Wow, such dodging for such a simple question; the non-answers are answers in themselves.


And how is my answer a non-answer? Black voters have never benefitted at the expense of white voters, except in the minds of racist whites who imagine giving voting rights to blacks takes something away from their deified white race.

Take a good look at L.A.-L.A. Land gerrymandering. They come right out and say that they change district boundaries in order to create ethnic districts. The upshot of this is that various minority groups have a disproportionately large voice in the governance of L.A.
Take a look at what they just did in Palmdale, a city that has always had open ( non-precinct) voting. Now they say that the city has to go to a precinct system because it would benefit a small portion of the population at the expense of the majority.


But are whites losing anything?

This is a clear violation of the rules of proportional representation. If we allow these things to continue, who knows what will happen next.
And it's not just whites. This isn't a race thing, these are people who chose to leave L.A. because of many factors brought on by typical big city misgovernance. Many of these people opted to have a long commute to their work in L.A. so as to have a better life for themselves and their families. Then Los Angeles County enacted inner city renewal projects, which forced out the inhabitants. And where did they go? To the desert, where the rents are lower. So not only do the inhabitants now have to put up with increased crime and the typical over-taxing of social services, but also the tyranny of the minority. Oh, and for a capper, the county is on them to provide more services, which increases taxes, which also hurts working families. How is this fair?


I can't speak on the situation in L.A. as I don't know anything about it, save to say that demographics change with the natural influx of people, and hence, taxes are going to go up with it.

This isn't a case of ' natural influx'. This is a case of government ousting the 'undesirables' out of an area they wish to develop and dumping them onto an area that at this point in time they don't want. And then these self-same bureaucrats harass the outlying areas because their existing services can't handle the increased crime and other demands. :roll:


Ousting? Is anyone actually being evicted, or being bought out?


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06 Oct 2015, 10:14 pm

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And how is my answer a non-answer? Black voters have never benefitted at the expense of white voters, except in the minds of racist whites who imagine giving voting rights to blacks takes something away from their deified white race.


Doesn't matter, the question was whether or not you thought it would be okay to discriminate based on race when it comes to voting, and the answer is clearly 'yes' so long as it's against white people. You and several other posters seem to feel this way, but also know it's not something you want to come out and say, hence the dodging.


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