US doctors call for universal healthcare

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That's the heart of the problem.

Even Bernie Sanders doesn't have an answer. His solution is more taxes.

we could put those aforementioned high muckety-mucks on a raft without a sail and forget about them. problem solved.

This is what the libertarians are saying.

The food industry example is still relevant because although they use cheap labor those savings are being passed on to the customer, even though the shareholders come first the food is still not being price gouged, because of competition.
The cable bills only started going up because of a monopoly, if people had cancelled their cable the prices would have come down.

This is why cell phone plans are extremely cheap in India, they are not willing to pay much for cell phone service.

The market reacts to what people are willing to pay,at that point Americans were willing to pay a lot for cable so that's what they got, it doesn't sound fair but if Americans had just gone without for a month prices would have come down.

When gas was expensive people started using mopeds and eventually the price did come back down.
When meat is expensive Americans eat peanut butter instead, this leads the market to put a lot of effort into keeping meat cheap.
So within the food industry there is competition.

If more hospitals were built millions of people would go to the doctor if it was cheap, so the medical industry would get many more customers.
At the moment it's impossible to lower prices because of scarcity.

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the crap that the PTB puts in our food also contributes greatly to the costliness of our medical system.

Breakfast cereals for example, they contain an unhealthy amount of sugar and preservatives. They probably do cause obesity and diabetes.
I think people are becoming educated and avoiding them.

You can't let the government ban certain foods because they think that high fat foods like cheese and eggs are bad and many disagree.

actually they reversed course on eggs and said dietary cholesterol was not a major medical concern.

That's good, imagine if they had banned eggs 35 years ago because "the science was conclusive!"
If it was found that eggs were harmless they would never admit it.

This is a possibility with single payer healthcare.

on NBC nightly news tonight is a 3-part series about people bankrupted by medical costs even though they were insured [but did not have Cadillac insurance]. our medical non-system is full of financial pitfalls that even sophisticated consumers can run afoul of. the insurance companies and the hospitals each say to the other, "it's your responsibility" and both point their fingers to the patient when they won't agree.

Firstly, no govt institution needs private funding, seeing as how it mints fiat currency. We are no longer pioneers, hacking infrastructure out of the wilderness, which now makes goods and services accessible to all.

Secondly, it's none of my business, if you want get psoriasis eaten off, by fish, or if you want to get butt injections, from the hardware store.

It wouldn't bother me to see a two-tiered system consisting of standardized, single payer services and de-regulated, private services, in which you are guaranteed to get the basics, without penalty or personal prejudice.

Bernie wants to close the tax loopholes for the rich. He wants to make the corporations pay their fair share. He wants to go after the offshore safe havens the rich use to get away with paying little to no taxes here in America. If they were paying their fair share now, it would easily cover the costs of single payer health care here in America as well as a multitude of other programs.

This article I found a while back. The amount of money corporations offshore is enough to fund healthcare for over 2 billion people worldwide.

http://www.thenation.com/article/today- ... air-share/

Sure Bernie would raise taxes. It would be a small tax even on the lower income families but in return they would receive enough benefits through services from those taxes that in the end they would see a net gain in income by the end of the year. So, even with a tax they would come out ahead in the end.

Currently Americans pay taxes yet receive little to nothing back from them in return. Bernie wants to change that.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/27920 ... -proposals

IMHO too many americans are all in favor of coddling the wealthy in the theory that they too can join their ranks. so they will vote against raising Richie rich's taxes even if their own taxes in the aggregate must go up.

The problem is that when they go to raise taxes on the super-rich, for some reason they raise taxes on the middle class.