Therapist trying to help autistic client shot by police

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23 Jul 2016, 1:47 am

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In these types of situations, cops usually don't hit the thing they're aiming at. Even cops that are experts at the gun range will have horrible accuracy in a live real world situation.

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And here we have the police "lie machine" going into action.

The last report I read confirmed the shooter was aiming at the patient and accidentally hit the therapist.But the article also said he'd thought the patient was going to harm Mr. Kinsey, and that is why he discharged his weapon.

How this could happen is unfathomable...he doesn't say a bee stung him....or that a butterfly deflected his
shot...so how does that happen...that he's aiming at one thing and the bullets go somewhere else?? The answer is it can NOT happen, unless something was in the way.

The chief also said the shooter was very sorry and that he hoped Mr. Kinsey would get well soon. I'll just bet
he 's hoping.So if he was so damn sorry why did the person that they knew was shot "accidentally" by this fool, have to lie bleeding handcuffed behind his back for 30 minutes...were they hoping he'd die?

The police "lie machine" is just as stupid as they are.


"In these types of situations, cops usually don't hit the thing they're aiming at. Even cops that are experts at the gun range will have horrible accuracy in a live real world situation."

Police inaccuracy is a well known joke. But here we're not talking about hand guns. We're talking about long arms which is a whole different matter.

The police are saying to not be fooled by the videos, as the videos were taken from a closer vantage point than that of the shooting officer. I've yet to hear anyone say what the range actually was, but with only iron sights (and they most likely had "red dot" scopes) you can easily get accuracy of + or - 1" (plus or minus one inch) at 100" (one hundred feet).

This type of accuracy, on a clear day, if the officer isn't blind, etc. , is quite repeatable with a long arm. There's no way he could have missed, unless we're not getting told the whole story; which no sane person believes is possible (perish the thought).

For these, and other reasons I'm sure, the state is now in the process of forcing every rifle owner in California to sign and declare they are a rifle owner; not the number or type of rifles they may have, but they only want you to prove you are a rifle owner before you are allowed to buy ammunition for ANY center fire rifle....I assume this will give them rights to enter your property and search for and seize whatever the "flavour" of the day it happens to be (magazines "assault weapons", illegal modifications, illegal ammo, too many weapons, etc.). And this is only the first step....yikes!

Once they have your name and declaration they claim not to need to know what your personal armory may consist of....huh....we're not really fooled by this B.S.

Sorry for the digression.



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23 Jul 2016, 2:00 am

Oh, oh, oh....the answer just struck me WHY THE OFFICER FIRED AT THE THERAPIST:

He (or his superior most likely) obviously mis-read the machine printed information.

Instead of targeting someone they thought was a therapist....

They were ready to shot down THERAPIST.

I'm tired...good night all.



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23 Jul 2016, 11:50 pm

Mom of autistic man at center of Charles Kinsey shooting: My son is traumatized


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24 Jul 2016, 5:42 am

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What the f*ck? The cop was AIMING for the autistic kid?! AND, if he wasn't aiming for the therapist, why the f*ck did they handcuff him AFTER being shot?!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/miami-police ... 00956.html


It's the American mental health system, at it's finest.

If someone is having a mental episode, throw them in jail, or just execute them on the spot. Which ever is more convenient.


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24 Jul 2016, 2:25 pm

But it's all about race!! It's a black thing!!

Because, if it were about sh***y attitudes and sh***y behavior and people being reactionary because everyone is afraid of everyone else, that would be scary. And complicated. And scary.


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25 Jul 2016, 12:19 am

What It Feels Like To Be An Autistic Person of Color in the Eyes of the Police


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25 Jul 2016, 1:29 am

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Interesting point in the attached article
**A recent white paper released by the Ruderman Family Foundation showed that up to half of all people killed by police are disabled and a medical condition or “mental illness” is used to blame victims for their own deaths. On top of that, 80 percent of all cases involving disability are labeled mental illness.**



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13 Apr 2017, 2:25 am

North Miami police officer charged in July 2016 shooting of caretaker of man with autism

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A North Miami police officer who shot the caretaker of a man with autism last summer has been charged with attempted manslaughter, according to officials.

On Wednesday, the Florida State Attorney's Office announced charges for North Miami Police Officer Jonathan Aledda for the July 18, 2016, shooting of behavioral therapist Charles Kinsey, who was unarmed.


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13 Apr 2017, 1:33 pm

A few problems, with rational gun discussions, in this time and place --

People are so impractical. Have you ever used an electric staple gun, riveter, or jackhammer. (Not usually.) You pull a trigger. There is recoil. No magical fairy dust or forbidden fruit materialize. It is a simple, mechanical device, within the grasp of your comprehension.

People are so political. If you literally go into a gunshop, it is most often covered in militaria, from top to bottom. They will, more often than not, try to baffle you, with proprietary language, rather than tutor you in a simple and intuitive understanding of core concepts. What was the original purpose of the Second Amendment, and are these people coercive regimists. If you go in there, looking like a hillbilly, from the Andy Griffith show, they will do everything humanly possible, to make you leave.

(Unlike partisans) I do know the difference between reality and fiction. Sorry that has to be said. I watched Daniel Boone, on tv. And, his character is carrying a long gun, as he approaches new settlers, to make an acquaintance. And, it hits me. Do they all duck-and-cover. No. For those, who still don't know, a walking stick, bowie knife, or axe are just like tools, used for manual labor.

I think that arch-leftist cyberchondriacs have appropriated this medical diagnosis, and are likely the most vocal people, here. How are you supposed to be systematic, subdued in your emotions, and bow to corny, blue and red shibboleths.

I will discuss the issue, based on it's merits, leave when I have had enough, and not ask for moderator help, to settle the dispute.



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07 Jun 2017, 12:56 am

Autistic man's family sues over Florida police shooting

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CBS Miami reports the police interrogation of Arnaldo Soto was released Monday, nearly a year after he was transported in handcuffs to the North Miami Police Department.

Surveillance video shows an officer trying to question Soto about the incident, but it's clear that he is unable to communicate. At one point, Soto indicates that he wants to have his shackles removed. But the request is denied.


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26 Feb 2019, 1:47 am

North Miami cop who shot the unarmed caretaker of a man with autism goes to trial

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hree years later, fragments from a police bullet are still lodged in Charles Kinsey’s leg.


The pain is the physical reminder of the day a North Miami cop shot Kinsey as he lay on the ground, his hands up in the air as he tried to protect his severely autistic client. The emotional trauma is just as acute.

“I don’t know what to think. I don’t know what to expect,” Kinsey told the Miami Herald. “I still ask myself ‘Why?’ Why did this have to happen? Why me? I wasn’t doing anything wrong.”

“In the last month, it’s really bothered me. I guess, maybe, because the case is coming up. I’m going in with an open mind and hoping for the best.”

His story is set to take center stage next week as jury selection begins for North Miami Police Officer Jonathan Aledda, 32, who shot and wounded Kinsey in a case that was partially captured on a video and garnered worldwide attention.

t will be the first time a police officer has been tried in Miami-Dade County for an on-duty shooting since 1989. No police officer has been convicted in state court for an on-duty shooting since Miami Officer William Lozano in 1989, and that conviction was overturned on appeal and he was later acquitted.

Kinsey, 49, now works mowing lawns during the day, and at a center for substance abuse in the evening. He hasn’t spoken to Rios since the days after the shooting.

After a trouble-filled stay at another group home, Rios has spent the past year at a home for the severely disabled in Orlando. There, he has thrived, according to his attorney, Matthew Dietz, even learning to navigate YouTube.

Rios recently celebrated his 29th birthday, getting a cache of toy trucks, not unlike the one that nearly cost him his life.

“I can’t believe that every other officer heard on the radio that it was a toy,” Dietz said. Aledda “aimed, but couldn’t hit a 250-pound man sitting cross-legged on the ground, and he’s a SWAT member? If he was aiming at Arnaldo, he’s the worst shot in the world.”


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26 Feb 2019, 6:42 pm

Reminds me of the misconception that autistic people are inherently violent...


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16 Mar 2019, 4:11 am

Jury deadlocks on 3 counts against cop who shot at autistic man, acquits on misdemeanor

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Testifying in his own defense, North Miami Police Officer Jonathon Aledda insisted he honestly mistook an autistic man holding a silver toy truck for a gunman holding another man hostage. The soft-spoken officer said he had no choice but to fire three bullets, accidentally hitting Charles Kinsey, the supposed hostage.

One sole juror did not believe Aledda.

The other five voted to acquit Aledda of all four charges in a case that garnered international headlines amid intense scrutiny on U.S. police shootings. But after a full day of deliberation, jurors on Friday could not reach a unanimous verdict on three of the four counts, leaving a Miami-Dade judge to declare a mistrial.

The jury did acquit Aledda of one misdemeanor count of culpable negligence for shooting at the autistic man, Arnaldo Rios Soto.

Miami-Dade prosecutors must now decide whether to retry Aledda on two counts of felony attempted manslaughter and one count of culpable negligence. While not an outright victory, Aledda’s camp was buoyed, knowing they were so close to an acquittal.

After the decision, in the hallway outside the fourth-floor courtroom, jury foreperson Mario Alberto Lopez walked up to Aledda and shook his hand.

“My apologies for not being able to clear you today,” Lopez told him.

The foreperson, with three other jurors, stuck around with Aledda and his supporters. The apparent holdout, an older Hispanic man, strode away, declining to comment.

“I think he acted like a reasonable police officer should have in such a nerve-wracking situation,” Lopez told the Miami Herald afterward. “I thought he was not guilty from the moment he took the stand.”

The hung jury in the Aledda case came three years after the July 2016 shooting, which unfolded against the backdrop of a series of controversial killings of black men by police around the United States. The shooting also roiled North Miami, leading to the ousting of the city’s police chief and the firing of the commander on the scene.

North Miami police officers rushed to the scene, surrounding the two men. Kinsey thrust his hands in the air, begging police not to shoot, loudly yelling that Rios had a toy, not a gun. Among the key evidence: Bystander video of the confrontation showing Kinsey lying on the ground, his hands up in surrender.

The scene commander radioed that the man appeared to be “re-loading.”

Aledda fired his M4 rifle. Kinsey was shot in the thigh and survived, although fragments of the bullet remain embedded in his body. Rios was unharmed.

Prosecutors said Aledda was not justified in shooting at Rios from a half-a-football field’s length away.

During the two-week trial, a host of North Miami police officers who responded to the scene testified that they did not think that the autistic man appeared to be a threat. The two cops closest to Rios and Kinsey said they had concluded that the shiny object was not a gun — and one had even relayed his belief over a police radio transmission.

Taking the witness stand Wednesday in his own defense, North Miami Police officer Jonathon Aledda holds a toy truck that he says he mistook for a handgun before he shot an autistic man who was holding the truck.

But Aledda, 32, testified that he did not hear the dispatch because he had a shoddy department-issued radio. Taking cover behind a black car, Aledda said, he saw Rios turn the shiny object toward Kinsey on the ground.

“At that point, I had to fire my shot. I thought the black male was going to get executed,” Aledda told jurors, adding: “My heart was pounding out of my chest. I’ve never been in the position to take a life to save another.”

But prosecutors said Aledda should have known Rios was not a threat. They said no other witnesses saw Rios turn the silver toy toward his caretaker.

“With a lot of power and authority also comes a lot of responsibility. The shots Jonathon Aledda fired were not a misfire,” Miami-Dade Chief Assistant State Attorney Don Horn told jurors on Thursday during closing arguments. “Each shot was intentional while he was trying to kill Arnaldo Rios Soto. Each shot was unnecessary and unreasonable.”

The outcome was a disappointment for the office of State Attorney Katherine Fernandez Rundle, who has been criticized for not having charged any police officers for on-duty shootings since she assumed the post in 1993.
Florida law gives police officers wide leeway to use deadly force, even allowing them to shoot a “fleeing felon” if they believe the person may be a threat to the community. Few officers in Florida have been charged, let alone convicted, for on-duty shootings.

Rundle, in a statement soon after the mistrial, said “our community has been traumatized” by Aledda’s shooting and the mistrial showed “the difficulties” of the case.

“My prosecution team and I will be discussing the case to determine the appropriate course of action as to the unresolved counts,” she said.


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18 Jun 2019, 2:46 am

North Miami police officer found not guilty of manslaughter charges

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A North Miami police officer on trial for the shooting of a man who was interacting with a man with autism has been found not guilty of attempted manslaughter.

In the retrial of Jonathan Aledda, the jury found him not guilty on two counts of attempted manslaughter for the shooting of Charles Kinsey and guilty on one count of culpable negligence.

"We thought he never should've been charged to begin with and disappointed that he was convicted or they found him guilty of a misdemeanor," said defense attorney Douglas Hartman.

Video of the 2016 shooting made national headlines.

During Monday's closing arguments, prosecutors told the jury Aledda put the lives of Kinsey and his autistic patient, Arnaldo Rios, in danger.

"He shot an unarmed man when he shouldn't have shot at all," assistant state attorney Don Horn said.

Defense attorneys countered that the evidence suggests a shiny object Rios was holding was initially believed to be a gun. It ended up being a silver toy truck.

Earlier in the day, Aledda testified that he thought Kinsey's life was in danger and that he was forced to fire at Rios, inadvertently shooting Kinsey instead.

"It appeared that he was screaming for mercy or for help or something," Aledda said.

Prosecutors claim Aledda rushed to judgment and that if he had taken the time to assess the situation, he would have realized there wasn't a gun.


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16 Oct 2019, 3:20 pm

All cops are bastards. They're f*****g useless.


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