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29 Jul 2016, 10:38 am

Lukeda420 wrote:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/03/08/so-far-turnout-in-this-years-primaries-rivals-2008-record/

I'm getting tired of everyone complaining that "both candidates suck" and "it's voting for the lesser of two evils." First off, no it's not...

No, it is and yes they both do emphatically suck.

I will add it is not in the USA alone that this suckitude prevails. Worldwide I believe we have the overall worst set of leaders in key positions I have ever seen in my small sojourn in this vale of tears.

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29 Jul 2016, 10:52 am

The level of cynicism in this country is toxic. I was very happy to hear Obama call I out in his speech.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/04/13 ... -have-any/

Again, I'm proud to be voting for Hillary.

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29 Jul 2016, 11:33 am

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I don't like Trump one bit, but this charge is ridiculous. The guy was making a sarcastic joke. Its another example of how authoritarian political correctness is.

His campaign is a joke. He gets away with saying anything because he backpeddles with the same crap EVERY TIME. That's cowardly, being unprepared and indecisiveness, in my view. As I've said time after time- he needs to get better speech writers and he needs to learn to actually talk in a decent manner. He speaks the way he does because he knows it gets attention, so he wont stop.. because that means attention stops. He's an egomaniac/attentionseeker that has no place in politics. He isnt prepared to run this country, period.

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29 Jul 2016, 12:13 pm

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I think there is nothing wrong with you liking or voting for Hillary. If you think she's ok, and the right person with the right ideas, etc, etc. It is just a fact that the majority of americans do not agree with you. At last count something like 60% of all americans (repubs, dems, independents, etc) did not like her.

It does happen that sometimes people try to make things sound better then they are. Some do it thinking its better to be positive, others do it for self interest. Obama is last on the list of objective persons. That 'Legacy' obsessed man may be very motivated to present the state of the union as not as bad as it is. Because he is commenting on the condition of the country after he hands it off after his 8 years. Maybe he is correct, but I hardly think him reliable as far as objectivity goes, and persoanlly I think he is blowing massive smoke to hide serious divisions and problems. The proof is in the pudding not words.

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29 Jul 2016, 12:43 pm

My main point was that I'm getting tired of everyone saying we're doomed and all politicians suck. When I mentioned Obama in my last post it was in the context of that kind of thinking. He explicitly spoke out against this type of cynicism. I think it's one of the driving factors in peoples' non involvement in politics. There is a healthy level of cynicism, don't get me wrong but there is a point where it becomes unhealthy and counterproductive.

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29 Jul 2016, 1:49 pm

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Yes, lots of things are possible, but is there legitimate evidence? We don't want to believe things without evidence, do we?

Studies have already been done (improper immunological response to the MMR vaccine and also mercury toxicity are ones I recall).

"Possible".

So, saying that they don't cause autism is wrong as of now. They possibly can, albeit the incidence doesn't appear to be statistically noteworthy based on population studies.

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29 Jul 2016, 2:01 pm

http://m.theweek.com/articles/465838/au ... ing-debate

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html

http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/au ... index.html

No, vaccines do not cause autism.

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29 Jul 2016, 2:06 pm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12849883

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534

"Possible".

Yes, I was one of those kids that had a bad reaction to the MMR and ended up having autism. Of course, did the MMR cause the autism, did the autism cause the bad reaction, or were they unrelated, is something that's up in the air.

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29 Jul 2016, 3:00 pm

No, it's not possible.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/22/health/mm ... index.html

http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/commi ... autism/en/

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29 Jul 2016, 3:09 pm

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I agree, if that is all a person does. That is complain and not get involved in some sort of civic process or group to trying to make improvements. At the least participate in voting.

As far as cynicism goes, it is also right to not be satisfied with the status quo of effectively only two monilithical parties - right or wrong, and one has to fight against the cynicism against a viable third (or 4th) party (ie. It will never work... all that will do is elect so & so).

Over the course of my voting years I have come to the conclusion both parties are biased, prejudiced, self serving, corrupt and deep network systems. And both are only getting worse/more polarized. They need replacing or marginalizing as due the partisan extremists they have become.

That won't happen until enough people do really cut the cord and not buy the 'lesser of two evils' arguement.

I'm still looking for moderates. They seem extinct. Killed by their own parties. I might go green until such can form or be reformed. Probably won't happen in my lifetime however.

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29 Jul 2016, 3:16 pm

Dillogic wrote:

From your own first link...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2528717/

When citing a 13-year old article, it might be wise to check if there has been subsequent research on the subject...

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29 Jul 2016, 3:48 pm

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I doubt is was a joke but even if it was autistics are not the only people who can misread intent. An off the cuff joke by a world leader that is misread can have catastrophic consequences

Reagan was doing a Mike Check prior to a speech in the early 80's. As a joke he suddenly said something like 'The Russians and us have launched all our missliles. We have 20 minutes left.' He didn't know it was being recorded. I thought it was funny as hell and I had even less time being stationed on the border against the Soviets.

Humor will not be tolerated in the new Fascist PC United States.

George tried to warn us.

It was a joke and a mike check but that is the only thing you got right. The commies thought they might really be bombed in 5 minutes and put thier army on full alert.

Being anti political correctness does not mean a world leader should saying anything just because it is funny and it makes SJW's s**t thier pants. Since everything is seemingly offensive now people in are so desperate to not be watching thier every word they are not able to tell what is actually offensive or harmful anymore. This is one of the worst things the SJW's have done.

In Reagan's case it almost lead to all of most of us not bieng here. Probably Reagan did not know the mike was on. In Trump's case he knew damm well not only that the mike was on he knew what he said was going immediatly to the whole world.

Helping a foreign country harm the US is treason political correctness or not.

Changing the topic a bit Time magazine in todays edition is theorizing that the Russians are not necessarily trying to get Trump elected but hurt the US from within by undermining faith in the US electoral process. They said the Russians are caplable of hacking electronic voting machines to the point of having Trump win California and a few other states by 20 percent.

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29 Jul 2016, 3:59 pm

GGPViper wrote:

When citing a 13-year old article, it might be wise to check if there has been subsequent research on the subject...

The authors haven't retracted the first one, and the article you list cites a study that uses different methods for a test, that don't actually disprove the results of the first study (as we'll see, it's proven again in 2009).

2006 that says "no" (this is the one the review you give uses)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17015560

The author of the original in 2009 that says "yes"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19758536

So again, it's possible.

You can't just ignore studies you don't like.

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29 Jul 2016, 4:13 pm

TomS wrote:

AspE wrote:

TomS wrote:

I don't like Trump one bit, but this charge is ridiculous. The guy was making a sarcastic joke. Its another example of how authoritarian political correctness is.

His whole campaign is a sick joke. Why should we ever take him seriously?

The entire 2016 Presidential race is a joke. And the joke is on us.

Some say 'Are these candidates the best we can do?' Unless someone can produce the theoretical 'good candidates' from out of hiding somewhere, I have to say 'Yes, I am afraid so.'

Clinton is a policy wonk that made some poor choices. I don't think she's that bad. Not my first choice, but she gets my vote.

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29 Jul 2016, 7:02 pm

Dillogic wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

When citing a 13-year old article, it might be wise to check if there has been subsequent research on the subject...

Do you believe your autism was caused by vaccines?

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29 Jul 2016, 7:36 pm

Dillogic,

Neither of the studies you provided show that vaccines cause autism. You seem to have misunderstood what they were studying. The Centers for Disease Control and The World Health Organization says there is no link. The evidence I have provided come from multiple well respected sources. Again vaccines do not cause autism.

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