Donald trump accused of serial groping

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The Washington Post made those points, as attributed.

Publicly defending celebrities accused of rape just because they’re celebrities (or would be politicians) and ignoring or automatically denouncing what the disclosers have to say is just one example of rape culture, and a very topical one.

^^ I agree!

That, to me, is kinda silly----and actually, harmful----NO ONE (man or woman) gets "stolen", they CHOOSE to walk. I can understand why people do it, though----they don't want to think badly, of the one they love----but, they're doing themselves a TERRIBLE dis-service, if they refuse to call a spade, a spade (put the blame, on their SPOUSE----at least, ADDITIONALLY); because, look it..... Ivana, STILL, hasn't gotten over it, seemingly----if she had put the blame, where she SHOULD have (on Donald), she would have, IMO, stood a better chance of being over it, by now.

A lot of ad hominem here. If you do that you are favouring rape culture bla bla bla bla.
I think, as a civil person, that there must be an investigation and see if these claims correspond to truth.
As I said before, I don't find it right that someone should be treated as a rapist just because he's been accused, this is not a civil way to behave, that's why we have judges and tribunals. Trump himself made this mistake against Bill Clinton, and it surely will backfire now. As you said, Bill Clinton's rape claims were not right too, so it just shows that I am right.
Saying that there must be an investigation and a eventually a trial doesn't equate dismissing a rape claim.

And you quoted it. Btw did "The Washingtop Post" actually write "this is dumb on multiple levels"? LOL.

Not every personal criticism is an ad hominem attack. If the issue is taxes, and someone brings up sexual misconduct, then that would be an ad hominem attack. If the issue is attitudes toward other people and ethics, then bringing up sexual misconduct or attitudes toward them clearly relates to the subject at hand.

And now Trump continues to abuse these women while hiding behind a microphone calling them ugly and liars. This is about more than defending himself. When he calls his accusers ugly, he actually wants to inflict more pain on them. These aren't the actions of an innocent person. They're the actions of an abuser.

somebody fire rump and have security escort him to the door.

I wondered if a new set of lyrics would turn up for the song "With These Hands" .

Another senior woman - Cathy Heller - has come forward with an historial account of Trump's alleged predatory and inappropriate behaviour toward her when she was a guest at a mother's day function:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... thy-heller

No, ad hominem menas that instead of responding to one's argumentations you attack the person. For example someone was implying that I dismissed rape claims, which I didn't. I said that there must be a trial.

The 'Story of The Donald' is going to make one h*ll of a biopic...
His entire life story has all the ingredients of classic tragedy - from start to finish...and there will be a finish. How it comes out is still unknown. I just wish we had a playwright the level of Shakespeare to take this material on.

Let me quote a famous Republican here'

'You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time - but you can't fool all the people all of the time' A. Lincoln

People writer Stoynoff's former editor on to why he believes she did not speak out about Trump at the time of the assault, and the likely outcome if she had.

Link to story

Sometimes the person is part of the argument. In those cases, a logical argument that attacks the person is not fallacious.

The idea of rape culture definitely got accelerated by Bill Clinton and his advisers reliance on deplorable old arguments. The left didn't call for his lynching, but we haven't forgotten all the reactionary stuff that he and Hillary did and said while in the White House. To me, warning about rape culture is more of a wake-up call to carefully check your underlying attitudes. If you want to characterize any mention of the term as an attack, then it still doesn't hold up as an ad hominem, because it is people who make up the culture. Hence, the people are an inherent part of the discussion.

I didn't see anywhere that you were singled out, but I may have just missed the post. My point involves the tendency to cry ad hominem whenever the left points out something ugly in our cultural attitudes. Let's not get off track on this, but an instructive example is Pence et. al. saying that the police are being slandered whenever we mention implicit racism. Pointing out common, troubling psychological phenomena is an attack on people's ignorance of unconscious processes, not an attack on the people as such.

The irony of this debacle is that EVERYONE, the voters, the alleged assault victims, the democratic governmental system and the Trump himself are all going to lose in this tale of woe...perhaps the only 'good' is that we will all might learn something from the whole thing.

He said that I was defending a celebrity just because he is a celebrity (or would be politician). He also said that I was ignoring or automatically donouncing what the discosers have to say. And he said that it is just one example of rape culture, and a very topical one.
If this is not ad hominem, I don't know what is. I think I was very clear when I said that there should be an investigation and eventually a trial.

None of what you assert in this post happened. Read twice, reply once.