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I think it's more a matter of seeing attempts at trying to control how society speaks and thinks through labeling and branding, for what it is and not conforming to it. I think that form of manipulation has played itself out with the younger generations.

I'm saying the right needs to stop making use of their lunatic fringe, then just dismissing them, or even defending them, because they will otherwise be associated with said lunatic fringe. And why wouldn't anyone in their right mind, and with a soul, condemn such disgusting and unstable persons?

For those peddling the idea that millennials supported Trump solely because the left are "corrupt" seem to conveniently forget that Trump was chosen over other republican candidates. What separated Trump from other republicans was opposition to immigration, multiculturalism and political correctness. You can also throw in his well known corruption in relation to his blatant misogyny, connections to unsavory organisations, tax returns, Trump University and his failed businesses There was no other policy differences that voters had to base their decision.

Trump's main message was conveyed through "alt-right" platforms such as 4chan and 8chan as well as through Briebart and Fox news. Remember that more than half of college educated white males and females support Donald Trump's policies. The loop was closed with the appointment of Briebart chair Steve Bannon as his chief strategist.

So who are the alt-right? it's a loose coalition of active right wing groups, ex-tea party conservatives and (apparently) millions of middle class white Americans who were perfectly aware of what Donald Trump stood for yet chose to elect him regardless. I'm guessing these people covertly support his socially degenerative anti-minority ideas.What I can't understand why so many educated white females support him despite his overt misogynistic actions/views?

I'm guessing you're right about that.



It's called internalised misogyny. I have known women who hate women and think men are superior, it's not unheard of, especially in older people who were raised in a time when sexism was more overt and institutionally reinforced--if that's what you're taught, if that's what your culture tells you, you might just believe it. Not everyone who was raised to believe men were superior took that message in and made it their truth, but some did.

Yes this makes sense. If you can split the data by age and higher SES group it might favor older females for Trump
There is also evidence that younger white females in general don't care about issues such as mysogyny and race if they don't directly effect them...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... mp-victory

I guess Trump the businessman and strong business leader to take over the US economy and protect them against the boogeyman of "rapist" muslims and Mexicans

This just goes back to trying to control others. Guilt by association equals control through labeling, based on the liberals judgement of what constitutes a nebulous lunatic fringe and what constitutes association with it. The key factor is credibility. And in my opinion the level credibility as a whole, is at an all time low.

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Lay down with dogs, and you get fleas.
And a nebulous lunatic fringe? Aint nothing nebulous about people who want an all white, all Christian America. That's who and what the Alt Right is. The choice is simple: have nothing to do with these sacks of roaches, or risk being labeled as part of them by making political alliances with them. It doesn't have anything to do with credibility, or lack of it, based on political prejudice on the part of liberals or anyone else when the hateful ideology the Alt Right believe in is so obvious.

Out of the mouth of babes
The proof of the pudding is what these Alt-right people say - they are the ones who peddle lunatic ideas, please give yourself a chance to listen to the speeches of Richard Spencer or read articles by Trump's chief strategist Steve Bannon and you may think twice before giving oxygen to their crazy ideas...


I'm not going to draw attention that you are still in high-school and are yet to experience the real world, if the environment you are in teaches you that Trump is credible then that is what you are conditioned to believe. I think you are smart and hope that one day you can critically weigh up the evidence.

They are nebulous due to their anonymous online existence and the uncertainty of their exact motives. Their main outlet, the posting of memes of 4-chan and 8-chan, could easily just be pranksters out to ruffle feathers. And apparently they've hijacked Pepe the Frog as their spokesperson. Internet boogeymen. A virtual mythos. Tinfoil hat material.

As presented in Pepe the Frog memes.



If you mean where I live, I live in one of the most predominantly liberal areas in the US. No one has been sitting me on their knee teaching me about Trump credibility, nor have I been conditioned in any way to favor Trump. That's the thing, I came into this with no preconceived political viewpoint. I am examining, evaluating and challenging in a detached objective manner. Critically weighing up the evidence is the only sensible approach. That is what I have been taught and conditioned to do.

You did exactly that.

You lack perspective however. You came to the be attentive to politic only recently and what you see is peoples of liberal positions in panic from the election of Trump and you conclude that they are hysterical, what you don't see however is that the US right has become more extreme with years, that the less extremist George W. Bush two mandates have been absolutely catastrophic because of his ideologies and the consequence of them still linger on the world and that Trump is what the left feared (Along with the even worst catastrophes coming with it) the right would end bring to the table for years. Also Trump say so many stupid things it's impossible to point them all and a lot of what he say along with his behavior would have destroyed the political career of anyone, but it don't end affecting him, or at least very little, meaning he's for the time being and the next few years, politically invincible. Peoples who are aware of history have good reasons too to fear someone like Trump, as the content of his speech are quite reminiscent of peoples such as Hitler; things may not turn up as bad as the third Reich, but they still likely to turn very bad, particularly if Trump is actually keeping up with his promises. Politic also have become much more nasty since he has come and Trump nasty behavior was not something that could be seen in politic (At least not in USA or Canada) a few years ago.

What, are you implying that all that online hate is really evil liberal agent provocateurs out to besmirch the good names of honest alt righters? That the Alt Right aren't actually a bunch of kooks and lunatics?

They are not just online, there are real humans with names leading the alt-right:



NYT: Alt-Right Gathering Exults in Trump Election With Nazi-Era Salute

Well I figured real humans were behind all the alt-right memes on the internet. What are their names?



From what I gather the term "alt-right" didn't exists until Spencer invented it. In other words it appears there was no group calling themselves "alt-right" before then. So it seems possible anyone calling themselves "alt-right" since then are playing around with the term Spencer invented. The question in my mind still remains, is there really an "alt-right" or is it more of an invented mythos? I'm leaning towards the latter for now.

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No that's you putting words in my mouth. I'm saying they could be any number of different people with any number of different agendas. Now take any real group like the Hell's Angels or the Girl Scouts or whoever and you'll see they had a founding member and founding members and were establish on a particular date etc. Can you do that with the "alt-right"? I mean other than Pepe the Frog.