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As I understand, a Gau was what the Old Saxons used. Germany didn't use it until the Nazis thought to try to imitate their usage, because they apparently looked up to the Old Saxons who had ruled an empire in Denmark and Germany and imposed a rigid caste system on the peoples they conquered until they themselves were conquered by the Franks under Charlemagne. The term is not used in modern-day Germany except where it already forms part of place names. The yeo- in the modern English word yeoman is a cognate (linguistic cousin) of Gau.

While the term gau might have been used among the continental Saxons, it was also used very definitely by the Franks, hence Frankish regions as the Kraichgau in southwest Germany.
Forgive me, but the Saxons had not actually ever ruled Denmark, despite close relations between their ruling elites. And while they had pushed into Thuringia, had expanded into empty lands once occupied by the Franks, and had tried to expand into the Franks' eastern lands in Germany, then called Austrasia (the eastern lands), they hadn't ruled over the rest of Germany. The Saxons of that day were ruled over by local chiefs and nobles who jealously guarded their own local power, only uniting under a single warchief in times of armed conflict. The power of local leaders of high birth, and their rigid class system, was a deterrent to any sort of real unity, till it was imposed on them by Charlemagne when he made them a Duchy under his rule by force of arms.

I was just wondering if it was meant as a personal attack against that person.

As to the quoted text, that's pretty much the impression I have been getting in reading leftist feedback from all over the internet. I've found it to be pretty disturbing.

Take note that I'm extremely green with no preconceived notions when it comes to this stuff. It's been my first real exposure of something I've been oblivious to up to the last few months ago. As they say perception is everything and I'll be old enough to vote in the next election. They keep talking about banding together and think they should, but only to resolve to act and sound less extremely kooky. They don't seem to realize the impression they're making on America's youth aka future voters.

How about Oxford Economics?
http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/14/news/ec ... -trillion/


Comparing Obama or Clinton to Hitler is ludicrous and stretching the bounds of credibility. We have right wing nutcases in Australia as well who make ill-informed comparisons based on a simple desire to smear the left wing of politics...

Kraichgauer! a rare fellow student of history

One minor point of conjecture...based on archaeological evidence we know that when the Romans first started expanding northwards around 100BC they subdued Celtic tribes who originally occupied what is modern Germany. Around that time Germanic tribes started pouring from what was Denmark and the Romans referred to these as Teotones (later Teutonic). They settled in what was northern Germany and gave the Romans a major headache. Later Scandinavians from "Gotland" joined other tribes in sacking Rome. These tribes became known as Goths. Some of these tribes settled south in what is modern Saxony in Germany bordering France. Another group moved west along the north coast from Denmark and settled in post-Roman Britain. The Saxon people who settled in in the UK and the Saxons who settled in Saxony may have originally spoken a similar language, shared a similar culture and had an equal fondness for military warfare but - they evolved to become two completely different populations.

Nearly every Trump pick is a horrible evil person. Trump conned Americans with the nonsense of "draining the swamp". He's been hiring people from the swamp! So it's clear the swamp nonsense was just another lie to con people to vote for him. Then there is the people that donated tons of money to his campaign and got jobs (pay to play- which Trump supporters accused Clinton of how many times?). Sorry but there's no excuse to reward donators with positions, when many times the people arent even qualified (Ben Carson as a big example. Fun fact- he didn't live in public housing! Also him living in a certain spot during his life doesn't mean much, when he is a surgeon and hasnt done much else! He is UNQUALIFIED!)

Lock him up! I'm still calling it- Trump is impeached/out of office within 4-6 months of his first year.

I think his picks have been pretty good, overwhelming majority of Trump supporter are happy and his favorabilities are going up up up all around! Your hopes and dreams will stay hopes and dreams, 4-6 months from now Trump will probably have accomplished more in his presidency than Obama did in 8. Trump is already more president now than Obama is, Obama is a weak lame duck who's legacy and along with the Clinton's will be the destruction of the Democratic party.

Really need to stop letting yourself be whipped into a frenzy by paranoid fearmongering progressive 'fake news', eventully you'll work your way thru the stages of grief and get to acceptance. I think you are at bargaining right now.

No no, liberals are communists and conservatives are nazis. How could you get that wrong?

This map from Wikipedia shows them in Denmark (on the Jutland peninsula) as well as in Germany:

Give it time and they'll find something, factual or not, about Kelly and we'll have a thread or two on him and all the terrible things he'll do under Trump's regime.

Personal attack on whom?
I'd be honored to be the gauleiter of my county but I've already accepted the office of Reichsprotektor of Washington and Oregon, effective immediately after the inauguration next month.

The internationally recognized historian and political scientist Tina Fey has your number there, buddy.

Tina Fey Warns: Prepare for Nazi America Under a Donald Trump Presidency

Lately, Hollywood has been in a bit of panic mode. Clearly the election of Donald Trump has thrown them through a loop because they left no room for even the slimmest possibility of Trump winning the presidency. Comedian Tina Fey is no different and let her apparent distress be known to David Letterman in an interview he conducted with her for The Hollywood Reporter. The former late-night host commiserated with the former Saturday Night Live comedian over their newly found realization of American’s “misogyny”--(rich, coming from the host who admitted to sleeping with his interns)--and how they would deal with the disappointing blow.

Letterman began by asking Fey, “ So what do you think is the No. 1 struggle of humanity now?”

“This is an easy one,” he added.

Of course the unstated answer was how to deal with Donald Trump as PEOTUS. Fey advised Americans to read a Nazi filmmaker’s autobiography to get a better sense of what America was going to be like and learn how to navigate in this “increasingly ugly world...”

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kri ... presidency

(Rumor has it that Tina Fey knows all this because Katy Perry told her it was so.)

Well, I do clearly see the map, but I have not read any history about the Saxons being in charge of Denmark ever. In fact, the Danes had constructed a fortified wall across the neck of the Jutland peninsula called the Danweirk (spelling) in order to first keep out the Saxons, then later the Franks. My opinion is, whoever made that map should have taken greater care to differentiate between political and tribal lines. Especially important is how the people of Saxony had spoken a west Germanic language, whereas the Danes spoke a north Germanic language, which probably would not have been likely if one population had ruled over the other.

That is of course very true that the old Saxons, and the Anglo-Saxons, had evolved in different cultural directions. The Anglo-Saxons in Britain had developed the institution of kingship, finally united under Alfred the Great, whereas the old Saxons of the continent remained a collection of independent tribes all calling themselves Saxons, uniting only under a war leader in times of armed conflict. The Anglo-Saxons, even before being colonized by the Vikings, had had close relations with Scandinavia, whereas the old Saxons came under Frankish influence, eventually being conquered by their Frankish enemies. And while both Saxon groups had had a violent transition to Christianity, it was the old Saxons who had held onto Wodan and Thor the longest. While the Anglo-Saxons had intermixed with native Celtic tribes in Britain, the Franks had allowed Slavs to settle lands in Saxony where they had deported part of the population, after which the two groups intermixed. So, yes, obviously the two Saxon groups had evolved into two different directions.

That's correct, we know the close ties due to persistent visits from their cousins across the north sea. We know the early Anglo-Saxons enjoyed the same culture due to the popularity of beer halls as the centre of each village (this originated from the Viking Mead hall) and the popularity of sagas that were common across the seas most notably "Beowulf". Of course all that ended with christianity although even today the heart of every English town/village is the local pub.

When the Roman calendar was adopted by the Brits we know they used local gods
Sunday: Sunnenday (Middle English translation of Greek Hemera heliou): the sun's day,
Monday: Monan daeg (Anglo Saxon, monan, moon; daeg, Anglo Saxon, day): the moon's day,
Tuesday: Tiwes daeg (Anglo Saxon Tiw, war god, related to Greek god Zeus): Tiw's day,
Wednesday: Woensdag (Danish, Woen, Woden, Chief Norse god, Frigga's husband; dag, day): Woden's day,
Thursday: Thursdaeg (Old English; Thorr, Icelandic, thundergod): Thor's day,
Friday: Frigedaeg (Anglo Saxon; Frige, Frigga, chief Norse goddess, Woden's wife): Frigga's day,
Saturday: Saeterdaeg (Anglo Saxon; Saeter, Saturn, Roman god of time): Saturn's day.

It's interesting and suggests the "pagan" Anglo-Saxon settlers might have been living in Britain during Roman occupation rather than entering after their departure as I doubt either the Romans or the local Celts had any interest in Norse gods



On many levels. The Saxons who lived under Frankish rule became French like the Normans in France. Thus their language, culture, religion and food became less German and more Mediterranean. Certainly they make better wine than their long lost northern cousins

Oh, no, the old Saxons in northern Germany remained German, as did the Austrasian (eastern kingdom) Franks of western and southern Germany. It was the Neustrian (new kingdom) Franks in France and Wallonia in Belgium who became Latinized in language and culture. It should be pointed out, Charlemagne was born in the German speaking region of Belgium, making him an eastern Frank. The language he spoke was German, probably of a middle Franconian dialect, and the personal name by which he was called was not Charlemagne, but Karl, or if you will, Karl der Grosse (Karl the great). Linguistically and even culturally, there wouldn't have been a great gulf between the Saxons and the Franks of Charlemagne's time.