Brexit 2016

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That's false. I knew exactly what I was voting for. To leave the European Union and the Single Market.

Because they either haven't got one or are keep their cards close to their chest.

Hopefully Scotland will have another referendum and leave the UK, though if that was actually allowed to happen the Scottish people might be told they weren't sure what they were voting for. I think any immigrant or refugee should go to Scotland then an actual nationalist party would form to fight the left wing fascists that are the SNP.

You've had your say as part of the union and lost.

It's very useful to borrow against though.

It's a very large asset even when not running a massive profit, and it's current state has much to do with mismanagement.
I dismiss views that oil is not an asset, it's just being silly.

Scotland is certainly somewhere I would consider moving to if they left the UK and joined the EU.

I would wonder about the state of their economy if they left the UK though. As a country they have been making a net financial loss for quite a number of years, then they would take a fair chunk of the UK's national debt with them and North Sea oil now doesn't even make any profit anymore.

It's an asset when oil prices are high, but now they are not and are predicted to stay low for the foreseeable. Scotland also has no influence over the value of oil, any smaller oil producing nation that relies on oil to sustain their economy is literally at the mercy of Saudi's & Russians.

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We cannot make a loss as a country, it's impossible under current circumstances.

We'd need to have full fiscal control to make a loss, any loss we make is westminsters, we have zero control in real terms.

Scotland is actually a relatively rich country for it's population, it's badly mismanaged by UK.

Ok.

Oil is a very bad thing.
Why are companies still bidding for drilling rights in Scotland then?
New fields are opening up, maybe someone is feeding you lies about Scotland, like your unionist press owned by billionaires who like having tories in their pocket and in charge.

Tax contributions by Scotland in 12-13 were £53.1B with total public spending in Scotland at 65.2B. And that is if you put all north sea oil and gas tax contributions against Scotland numbers rather than the UK's as a whole.

Why make silly accusations like that? Scotland's financial situation is very well established and has been discussed publicly a number of times.

You also have to keep in mind that the north sea oil would very likely not all go to Scotland either.

It's in Scottish waters, whatever lies within is ours.

I already explained why it is not possible for Scotland to run at a loss or profit, are you pretending to be blind?

The UK government allocates a grant to Scotland, we have no control over our nation's finances, we cannot raise more money just as we cannot actually lose any money.
You are just regurgitating right wing press nonsense and clearly have no actual grasp of the situation as you are ignoring the fact that Scotland cannot run at a loss or profit as part of the UK.
Just think about what you are saying, or regurgitating in this case and stop believing everything you read in your daily rag.

If that is as far as your thinking takes you then good luck with everything.

The UK Continental Shelf might disagree somewhat though

The UK doesn't exist without Scotland.

Peace and Love, I'm drinking ale and can no longer engage in this discussion.

You are welcome to come and live in Scotland, it'll be better than Tory England, our football team is shite though, so it'll be sort of the same as being English.

And what is the point of any of this? We're talking about the electoral college, not the primaries. Deflection....



No I'm doing it to clearing explain my point on every point. I don't like walls of text, they can easily be misinterpreted.



Where? Still baseless and just noise. The only thing I could find was Republicans at the time of the 1960 election whining much like some Democrats are doing today. Without sustainable proof it is meaningless and lost to the depths of time now.



More deflecting




You weren't supposed to feel guilt. You were supposed to take away the fact that the elector system was instituted because certain states had extreme suffrage limitations like the south so they wanted to expand their power without giving rights to slaves and others. Still in effect today, I consider it an American issue, not the issue of a single party.

California and New York don't decide our elections nor would they based on the popular vote......that's such a misused factoid. 40% of Iowan voters and every other political group that is the minority in their state along with all the majority voters in their respective states would decide the elections in a very fair and modern way, instead of winner take all nonsense.



I don't think I'm arguing Trumps legitimacy anymore....I'm more interested in fixing the system so future elections can be representative of the American people, an actual democracy. This whole thing started with your misuse of the word democracy.

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Isn't Trump Scottish? any chance you guys could take him back

He's American.

Yours dude, nothing to do with us.

We hate him too, he's a total dickhead.

Drumpf is of German origin. He's definitely American though