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01 Jan 2017, 7:15 pm

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The CIA says the Russians had interfered, as do representatives of both parties. I, for one, am not going to discount what people in the know say, in favor of a President Elect who has benefited from said Russian interference.


The President elect benefited more from disgusted voters who have had likes of Obama and Hillary up to their nostrils.

Hey, why not blame the BREXIT vote on sinister hackers while you are at it.

What we had was pure and simple, a revolt of the Deplorables.


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01 Jan 2017, 9:08 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:

The CIA says the Russians had interfered, as do representatives of both parties. I, for one, am not going to discount what people in the know say, in favor of a President Elect who has benefited from said Russian interference.


The President elect benefited more from disgusted voters who have had likes of Obama and Hillary up to their nostrils.

Hey, why not blame the BREXIT vote on sinister hackers while you are at it.

What we had was pure and simple, a revolt of the Deplorables.


Oh, it was certainly a revolt of the Deplorables, but as Putin has interfered with the elections of his neighbors several times in the past, Russian involvement, whether it had affected the Presidential election or not, should not be underestimated.


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So much for freedom of espression! :coffee:


I was just thinking that.


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The derangement persists, and will for a long time. Perhaps you'd like to rent a room in this lady's house:

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I'd like to burn that lady's house.


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01 Jan 2017, 9:52 pm

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Darmok wrote:
The derangement persists, and will for a long time. Perhaps you'd like to rent a room in this lady's house:

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http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_ ... _neighbors


I'd like to burn that lady's house.


That's a pretty messed up thing to say about a person you've never met, that you'd like to burn their house down. 8O


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01 Jan 2017, 10:28 pm

wilburforce wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
Darmok wrote:
The derangement persists, and will for a long time. Perhaps you'd like to rent a room in this lady's house:

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http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_ ... _neighbors


I'd like to burn that lady's house.


That's a pretty messed up thing to say about a person you've never met, that you'd like to burn their house down. 8O


Do that, or threaten to do that to where I'm currently living, and you will be getting a visit from one of my housemates, who happens to be a PA state trooper. Besides, she has the right to rent (within reason and federal law) to whomever she pleases.



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02 Jan 2017, 12:42 am

Meistersinger wrote:
wilburforce wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
Darmok wrote:
The derangement persists, and will for a long time. Perhaps you'd like to rent a room in this lady's house:

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http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_ ... _neighbors


I'd like to burn that lady's house.


That's a pretty messed up thing to say about a person you've never met, that you'd like to burn their house down. 8O


Do that, or threaten to do that to where I'm currently living, and you will be getting a visit from one of my housemates, who happens to be a PA state trooper. Besides, she has the right to rent (within reason and federal law) to whomever she pleases.


And now Trump voters will know better than to rent from her. Everyone's happy.


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I'd like to burn that lady's house.


she could be a massive kinks fan and own a bunch of rare originals and priceless memorabilia. there's no way to know.


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02 Jan 2017, 1:58 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
BaalChatzaf wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Looks like the liberal mantra that Trump supporters are Nazis is working for them after all. Or not.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... t-eat-her/


Refusing service at a publicly operated cafe or restaurant is in violation of several Federal civil rights laws. It is ironic that liberals are treating Trump supporters like N-Words which is why there are such laws on the books. The Liberals were the biggest pushers of these Civil Rights statutes.


It's pure hypocrisy. They just end up as another hate group.

Kraichgauer wrote:
BaalChatzaf wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Looks like the liberal mantra that Trump supporters are Nazis is working for them after all. Or not.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... t-eat-her/


Refusing service at a publicly operated cafe or restaurant is in violation of several Federal civil rights laws. It is ironic that liberals are treating Trump supporters like N-Words which is why there are such laws on the books. The Liberals were the biggest pushers of these Civil Rights statutes.


Actually, it isn't all liberals doing it, just those running that establishment.


But add that to everything else and it seems to express an overall sentiment. It's the doing so much of that they speak out against, that's the worst part of it. A true colors, the emperor has no clothes thing.

Mainly I'm just quite disappointed by it all.


If you must be disappointed, just be disappointed in the people in that place in Hawaii.


I'm disappointed in the overall display since after the election. The people in Hawaii are just a fragment of it.


As I recall, after Obama's election, the right were making all sorts of unfounded charges, such as that the President wasn't really born in America, that he was a Muslim (which should have never disqualified him even if it was true), or that he was tied to terrorists. Did you ever condemn that?


Not at the time. These days I would have said it was ridiculous of course. But to me there's a difference between ridiculous and branding voters as Nazi's and making death threats to electors and so on. Plus Obama placing lame duck sanctions over something totally unproven. They lost because of the Russians, the FBI and so on. The vote recount backfire. The whole thing has been a disgraceful train wreck.


The CIA says the Russians had interfered, as do representatives of both parties. I, for one, am not going to discount what people in the know say, in favor of a President Elect who has benefited from said Russian interference.


That's all so nicely vague. Where is the official CIA statement on the matter? Where is the clip of John O. Brennan making an official statement? Why is there a current probe if they already know who is responsible? There's too many unanswered questions, lack of evidence, and lack of typical procedure for me to take it at face value.

This is what I think of it. It became literal headlines on most news websites and newspapers, a couple of days before the electors cast their votes. See it seems obvious to me that this was a political maneuver by the current United States government to try influencing the electors. To me the fact that this thing came to a head, right before they cast their votes, makes it blatantly obvious what's going on.

I'll change my mind on that, once actual proof has been submitted.



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02 Jan 2017, 2:02 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
BaalChatzaf wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Looks like the liberal mantra that Trump supporters are Nazis is working for them after all. Or not.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... t-eat-her/


Refusing service at a publicly operated cafe or restaurant is in violation of several Federal civil rights laws. It is ironic that liberals are treating Trump supporters like N-Words which is why there are such laws on the books. The Liberals were the biggest pushers of these Civil Rights statutes.


It's pure hypocrisy. They just end up as another hate group.

Kraichgauer wrote:
BaalChatzaf wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Looks like the liberal mantra that Trump supporters are Nazis is working for them after all. Or not.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... t-eat-her/


Refusing service at a publicly operated cafe or restaurant is in violation of several Federal civil rights laws. It is ironic that liberals are treating Trump supporters like N-Words which is why there are such laws on the books. The Liberals were the biggest pushers of these Civil Rights statutes.


Actually, it isn't all liberals doing it, just those running that establishment.


But add that to everything else and it seems to express an overall sentiment. It's the doing so much of that they speak out against, that's the worst part of it. A true colors, the emperor has no clothes thing.

Mainly I'm just quite disappointed by it all.


If you must be disappointed, just be disappointed in the people in that place in Hawaii.


I'm disappointed in the overall display since after the election. The people in Hawaii are just a fragment of it.


As I recall, after Obama's election, the right were making all sorts of unfounded charges, such as that the President wasn't really born in America, that he was a Muslim (which should have never disqualified him even if it was true), or that he was tied to terrorists. Did you ever condemn that?


Not at the time. These days I would have said it was ridiculous of course. But to me there's a difference between ridiculous and branding voters as Nazi's and making death threats to electors and so on. Plus Obama placing lame duck sanctions over something totally unproven. They lost because of the Russians, the FBI and so on. The vote recount backfire. The whole thing has been a disgraceful train wreck.


The CIA says the Russians had interfered, as do representatives of both parties. I, for one, am not going to discount what people in the know say, in favor of a President Elect who has benefited from said Russian interference.


That's all so nicely vague. Where is the official CIA statement on the matter? Where is the clip of John O. Brennan making an official statement? Why is there a current probe if they already know who is responsible? There's too many unanswered questions, lack of evidence, and lack of typical procedure for me to take at face value.

This is what I think of it. It became literal headlines on most news websites and newspapers, a couple of days before the electors cast their votes. See it seems obvious to me that this was a political maneuver by the United States to try influencing the electors. To me the fact that this thing came to a head, right before they cast their votes, makes it blatantly obvious what's going on.

I'll change my mind on that, once actual proof has been submitted.


There have been plenty of CIA, and ex-CIA people who have called Trump a user friendly asset of Russian intelligence. Might it be that you are dismissing these charges simply because Trump is calling them fraudulent?


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02 Jan 2017, 5:51 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
BaalChatzaf wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Looks like the liberal mantra that Trump supporters are Nazis is working for them after all. Or not.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... t-eat-her/


Refusing service at a publicly operated cafe or restaurant is in violation of several Federal civil rights laws. It is ironic that liberals are treating Trump supporters like N-Words which is why there are such laws on the books. The Liberals were the biggest pushers of these Civil Rights statutes.


It's pure hypocrisy. They just end up as another hate group.

Kraichgauer wrote:
BaalChatzaf wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Looks like the liberal mantra that Trump supporters are Nazis is working for them after all. Or not.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... t-eat-her/


Refusing service at a publicly operated cafe or restaurant is in violation of several Federal civil rights laws. It is ironic that liberals are treating Trump supporters like N-Words which is why there are such laws on the books. The Liberals were the biggest pushers of these Civil Rights statutes.


Actually, it isn't all liberals doing it, just those running that establishment.


But add that to everything else and it seems to express an overall sentiment. It's the doing so much of that they speak out against, that's the worst part of it. A true colors, the emperor has no clothes thing.

Mainly I'm just quite disappointed by it all.


If you must be disappointed, just be disappointed in the people in that place in Hawaii.


I'm disappointed in the overall display since after the election. The people in Hawaii are just a fragment of it.


As I recall, after Obama's election, the right were making all sorts of unfounded charges, such as that the President wasn't really born in America, that he was a Muslim (which should have never disqualified him even if it was true), or that he was tied to terrorists. Did you ever condemn that?


Not at the time. These days I would have said it was ridiculous of course. But to me there's a difference between ridiculous and branding voters as Nazi's and making death threats to electors and so on. Plus Obama placing lame duck sanctions over something totally unproven. They lost because of the Russians, the FBI and so on. The vote recount backfire. The whole thing has been a disgraceful train wreck.


The CIA says the Russians had interfered, as do representatives of both parties. I, for one, am not going to discount what people in the know say, in favor of a President Elect who has benefited from said Russian interference.


That's all so nicely vague. Where is the official CIA statement on the matter? Where is the clip of John O. Brennan making an official statement? Why is there a current probe if they already know who is responsible? There's too many unanswered questions, lack of evidence, and lack of typical procedure for me to take at face value.

This is what I think of it. It became literal headlines on most news websites and newspapers, a couple of days before the electors cast their votes. See it seems obvious to me that this was a political maneuver by the United States to try influencing the electors. To me the fact that this thing came to a head, right before they cast their votes, makes it blatantly obvious what's going on.

I'll change my mind on that, once actual proof has been submitted.


There have been plenty of CIA, and ex-CIA people who have called Trump a user friendly asset of Russian intelligence. Might it be that you are dismissing these charges simply because Trump is calling them fraudulent?


I'd have to read their direct statements before being able to evaluate that. My assessment of the situation is based on my own conclusions. It has nothing to with favoritism. See it's not that I'm pro-Trump, I'm just not anti-Trump. At least not yet. No the conclusions I came to arrived on their own. And I don't think they can even be debated.

No empirical evidence of who sent Podesta the phishing link.

No empirical evidence Putin was involved.

Ongoing probe ordered by Obama is a clear indication they don't actually know anything conclusive.

The evidence they are providing in the form of secret sources and saying unnamed people in both departments are saying this and that and are agreeing with each other, is nothing more than hearsay. And looks more like a smokescreen.

I do not for a minute think it was a coincidence that this became bombshell breaking news between Friday and Saturday November 16th and 17th, when the electors were going to cast their votes Monday November 19th.

Those are my own personal observations and conclusions, made ahead of anything Trump said about it, which I haven't even heard or read, outside of reading that he dismissed the idea.



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02 Jan 2017, 3:14 pm

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
BaalChatzaf wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Looks like the liberal mantra that Trump supporters are Nazis is working for them after all. Or not.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... t-eat-her/


Refusing service at a publicly operated cafe or restaurant is in violation of several Federal civil rights laws. It is ironic that liberals are treating Trump supporters like N-Words which is why there are such laws on the books. The Liberals were the biggest pushers of these Civil Rights statutes.


It's pure hypocrisy. They just end up as another hate group.

Kraichgauer wrote:
BaalChatzaf wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Looks like the liberal mantra that Trump supporters are Nazis is working for them after all. Or not.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... t-eat-her/


Refusing service at a publicly operated cafe or restaurant is in violation of several Federal civil rights laws. It is ironic that liberals are treating Trump supporters like N-Words which is why there are such laws on the books. The Liberals were the biggest pushers of these Civil Rights statutes.


Actually, it isn't all liberals doing it, just those running that establishment.


But add that to everything else and it seems to express an overall sentiment. It's the doing so much of that they speak out against, that's the worst part of it. A true colors, the emperor has no clothes thing.

Mainly I'm just quite disappointed by it all.


If you must be disappointed, just be disappointed in the people in that place in Hawaii.


I'm disappointed in the overall display since after the election. The people in Hawaii are just a fragment of it.


As I recall, after Obama's election, the right were making all sorts of unfounded charges, such as that the President wasn't really born in America, that he was a Muslim (which should have never disqualified him even if it was true), or that he was tied to terrorists. Did you ever condemn that?


Not at the time. These days I would have said it was ridiculous of course. But to me there's a difference between ridiculous and branding voters as Nazi's and making death threats to electors and so on. Plus Obama placing lame duck sanctions over something totally unproven. They lost because of the Russians, the FBI and so on. The vote recount backfire. The whole thing has been a disgraceful train wreck.


The CIA says the Russians had interfered, as do representatives of both parties. I, for one, am not going to discount what people in the know say, in favor of a President Elect who has benefited from said Russian interference.


That's all so nicely vague. Where is the official CIA statement on the matter? Where is the clip of John O. Brennan making an official statement? Why is there a current probe if they already know who is responsible? There's too many unanswered questions, lack of evidence, and lack of typical procedure for me to take at face value.

This is what I think of it. It became literal headlines on most news websites and newspapers, a couple of days before the electors cast their votes. See it seems obvious to me that this was a political maneuver by the United States to try influencing the electors. To me the fact that this thing came to a head, right before they cast their votes, makes it blatantly obvious what's going on.

I'll change my mind on that, once actual proof has been submitted.


There have been plenty of CIA, and ex-CIA people who have called Trump a user friendly asset of Russian intelligence. Might it be that you are dismissing these charges simply because Trump is calling them fraudulent?


I'd have to read their direct statements before being able to evaluate that. My assessment of the situation is based on my own conclusions. It has nothing to with favoritism. See it's not that I'm pro-Trump, I'm just not anti-Trump. At least not yet. No the conclusions I came to arrived on their own. And I don't think they can even be debated.

No empirical evidence of who sent Podesta the phishing link.

No empirical evidence Putin was involved.

Ongoing probe ordered by Obama is a clear indication they don't actually know anything conclusive.

The evidence they are providing in the form of secret sources and saying unnamed people in both departments are saying this and that and are agreeing with each other, is nothing more than hearsay. And looks more like a smokescreen.

I do not for a minute think it was a coincidence that this became bombshell breaking news between Friday and Saturday November 16th and 17th, when the electors were going to cast their votes Monday November 19th.

Those are my own personal observations and conclusions, made ahead of anything Trump said about it, which I haven't even heard or read, outside of reading that he dismissed the idea.


Putin has done it before, interfering with the elections in the Baltic States, Ukraine, and Germany, so why not in America? Plus, US intelligence has identified the earmarks of their Russian counterparts in the hacking operation. Don't forget the Russian compounds Obama had shut down in New York and Maryland, begging the question: why the hell would another country run secret bases in another country, unless no good was intended?


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Ongoing probe ordered by Obama is a clear indication they don't actually know anything conclusive.

Well, it's not absolutely crystal clear, IMO----because, "ongoing probe" could mean that they're checking to see what else has been hacked / manipulated / compromised / whatever----but, the term ("ongoing probe") DOES raise questions, IMO.

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No empirical evidence of who sent Podesta the phishing link.

No empirical evidence Putin was involved.

The evidence they are providing in the form of secret sources and saying unnamed people in both departments are saying this and that and are agreeing with each other, is nothing more than hearsay. And looks more like a smokescreen.

I do not for a minute think it was a coincidence that this became bombshell breaking news between Friday and Saturday December 16th and 17th, when the electors were going to cast their votes Monday December 19th.

I agree with this part, too.




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Putin has done it before, interfering with the elections in the Baltic States, Ukraine, and Germany, so why not in America?


That's plenty good reasoning, but it's just speculation. Looking through some news stories today it's still being referred to as "alleged Russian espionage".

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Plus, US intelligence has identified the earmarks of their Russian counterparts in the hacking operation. Don't forget the Russian compounds Obama had shut down in New York and Maryland, begging the question: why the hell would another country run secret bases in another country, unless no good was intended?


I'm still reluctant to call a phishing email a hacking operation.

And were they secret bases or just posh estates for Russian diplomats? From what I'm reading their existence was well know to the State Department who made a deal with them back in the 70's for two properties in Moscow in return. They were described as containing luxuries and hosting dinner parties. I didn't read anything about them being any kind of military compound or containing any kind of espionage equipment. Them being shut down is being described as payback for alleged Russian interference in the election.



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Putin has done it before, interfering with the elections in the Baltic States, Ukraine, and Germany, so why not in America?


That's plenty good reasoning, but it's just speculation. Looking through some news stories today it's still being referred to as "alleged Russian espionage".

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Plus, US intelligence has identified the earmarks of their Russian counterparts in the hacking operation. Don't forget the Russian compounds Obama had shut down in New York and Maryland, begging the question: why the hell would another country run secret bases in another country, unless no good was intended?


I'm still reluctant to call a phishing email a hacking operation.

And were they secret bases or just posh estates for Russian diplomats? From what I'm reading their existence was well know to the State Department who made a deal with them back in the 70's for two properties in Moscow in return. They were described as containing luxuries and hosting dinner parties. I didn't read anything about them being any kind of military compound or containing any kind of espionage equipment. Them being shut down is being described as payback for alleged Russian interference in the election.


I'd expect intelligence operations being run out of some compound like these than out of the Russian embassy.
And you can ask the Ukrainians and the people of the Baltic States how "alleged" that hacking war was.


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02 Jan 2017, 11:24 pm

How can the owners of the café spot a patron's political affiliation, unless they're flaunting clothing that shows it?


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