GOP Reveals Plan For Replacing Affordable Care Act

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I gave you facts and you give me attitude. fine. find out for yourself.

Yeah yeah, so funny. You're just so damn clever

Sorry. I didn't see facts. Just a rant. Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with ranting.

It doesn't matter if AuntBlabby is a liberal, or conservative, or Bozo the Clown. He's right. This will NOT be the final version which will be passed by Congress (if it is passed by Congress). That's a guarantee.

If your aunt is age 60, she would get about a $3,000 tax credit which would reduce her "taxable" income. That's pretty substantial. If she's about age 40, she would get about a $2,000 tax credit. Under ObamaCare, the tax credit was based on income; under the Republican plan, solely by age.

I'd have to know how each company (e.g., Aetna, GHI, Oxford, etc.) handles the Republican plan. I'd have to read up on individual plans. And compare them. It's a known quantity under ObamaCare, an unknown quantity under the Republican plan.

In the years before when I only posted in general autism discussion and random discussion, I never understood why some people talked about how awful WP was.

Now I understand.

Basically, I would say the "savings" under the Republican plan depends upon how much tax credits your aunt receives under both--a comparison between one and the other.

And it also has to do with "market forces." What Aetna, GHI, Oxford, etc. feel like charging people under the Republican Plan, as opposed to under ObamaCare.

keep in mind that no insurance company has been known to lower premiums for a given coverage, it always goes up.

In other words it's still in the works and right now people are just into speculation, prognostication and sensationalism, as usual.

The real question is: How would the Republican Plan affect the market forces?

If the Republican Plan inspires the companies to reduce deductibles, then I would say the Republican Plan is good. If it doesn't, then it's not so good. It's the deductibles that are the real problem, in my opinion.

Plans under ObamaCare, definitely, increased deductibles to ridiculous levels. That's probably the main reason why it's no good.

Previously, there were no "bronze" plans which made the consumer pay 40% of the cost of EXHORBITANT health care out of his/her pocket.

Most plans only made the consumer pay 20% out of pocket (which is, for the most part, the "gold" amount under ObamaCare).

Last edited by kraftiekortie on 10 Mar 2017, 8:16 pm, edited 1 time in total.

This is it,
exactly.

I recently went to my accountant to have my taxes done,
and asked her how I could prepare for next year's tax requirements regarding healthcare ...
her honest answer ...
"I don't know."

Because nothing is set in stone right now,
it's a plan that can still change.

And while my accountant doesn't discuss politics much,
I know she's not a Trump supporter.
(If that matters at all.)

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Of course the Republican Plan is still "in the works."

Where's the "sensationalism" in what I say?

We'd have to see how Aetna, GHI, Oxford, etc. react to the Republican Plan. If they reduce deductibles, and dispense with the "bronze" and "silver" plans, leaving only the "gold," I would give kudos to the Republican Plan.

I would only call it "TrumpCare" because, if passed, it would have been passed under Trump's administration.

Oh no, some people already know beyond any doubt whatsoever that everyone except the rich are totally doomed by the new healthcare system. Absolutely doomed to hell.

There's no hope. If we are not wealthy, we are all doomed.

I have now come to accept that America is now a dictatorial dystopian nightmare.

Hi kraftie,

Possible unintentional cross-purpose posting happening here.

Just want to clarify that I'm not saying that you're saying anything "sensationalistic."

I was interpreting EzraS's mention of "people" in more general terms.

I think at this point, healthcare in America is beyond the ability of a single president, or even a single political party, to fix, though some steps towards improvement can be made. It comes down to the current problem of people (in general, once again) not properly valuing each individual person as a human being ... meaning that all too often nowadays "healthcare" ceases to be about either health or caring. What a shame.

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to quote Walter Cronkite, "our 'health care system' is neither healthy, nor particularly caring. neither is it even a system."

I didn't mean you specifically. Speculation, prognostication and sensationalism, from many people in general.

Lot's of fortuneteller doomsayers out there.

Well Ezra,

There's hope.

That said, I'm older than you, and can remember when people cared more about, for example, family members who were old or sick. I'm thinking of the older generations in my family who supported one another in good times and bad. Things have changed. Things can improve, but that will take a change of heart.

You're part of the younger generation, and you're hopeful.
Good for you, my friend!
We need more people like you.

And certainly, Trumpcare
(calling it that for convenience)
can be a step towards improvement ...
that said, there's definitely a chance
for it to get corrupted along the way.

Meanwhile, like Ronald Reagan would say,
I'm cautiously optimistic.

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