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09 Mar 2017, 5:55 pm

:lol: So it's alright for pro-Trump people to spout on and on about Obama and Clinton and other opponents (which they have done on this site since last year and even before), but because I repeat stuff against Trump.. it's bad. That's a double standard and it's purely stupid. Plus I rarely copy and paste stuff. I admit I re-post similar things- but many others do. So until others stop, I likely wont stop either. The facts haven't changed- Trump is a conman and a liar. There's plenty of REAL FACTS (not alternative facts or whatever Conway is touting these days) that show how crooked he is.

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09 Mar 2017, 6:02 pm

You can repeat whatever you want, I will not stand in your way being a broken record.

President has the ability to order anything, it doesn't mean its done in a legal way. Loretta Lynch wasn't acting independently without the presidents knowledge or consent, this didn't take him by surprise believe me. There was surveillance at Trump Tower, there was a FISA warrant reported about in the New York Times and other 'credible sources' before the election, and what about the leaks since? There is plenty of evidence(including all the stuff we're not allowed to know because of national security)and there should be a formal investigation into the matter.

You don't care if Obama is guilty or not since it's immaterial to you to begin with, you would support his breaking the law so really who is the one to talk? Your hatred of Trump is making swiss cheese of your brain.

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09 Mar 2017, 6:08 pm

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That is not true, the constitution limits the powers of the president....ordering anything they want illegally is a different game and would mean the very fabric of the country is at stake since the constitution limits the powers of all the branches so that none have absolute power. There are certainly limits to the presidents power if we are going by the constitution.

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09 Mar 2017, 6:18 pm

On paper maybe but there is nothing to actually stop the president from acting out of order constitutionally besides impeachment from office which does not happen given the partisan environment. Obama's numbers weren't blocked at the DOJ, he could 100% call Loretta Lynch and tell her to do something & I am pretty sure she would. What Nixon did with his 'plumbers' was not legal afaik but it still happened under him. Obama had very little respect for a constitution, Dubya was just as bad, I suspect they are both playing on the same team as far the CIA goes.

I heard that the first attempt at a FISA warrant(which got rejected) happened almost immediately after Bubba and Loretta's tarmac meeting here in Phoenix, just a coincidence I am sure...

"The president can't do that!"

Yeah, legally he can't which is exactly the problem and why this might end up for Obama officials in prison.

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09 Mar 2017, 7:06 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

...the constitution limits the powers of the president....ordering anything they want illegally is a different game and would mean the very fabric of the country is at stake since the constitution limits the powers of all the branches so that none have absolute power. There are certainly limits to the presidents power if we are going by the constitution.

LOLOL So, by THIS logic, do you not believe Watergate happened? LOLOLOL

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09 Mar 2017, 7:10 pm

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Campin_Cat wrote:

AJisHere wrote:

Anybody who believes Obama wiretapped Trump is an actual moron.

I believe anybody who believes the possibility of this happening is absurd, is an actual moron.

I believe anybody who believes this type of thing can not happen is naive. If it did happen it probably did not happen through FISA or other official channels but a Watergate plumbers styled secret small group.

Well yes of course. But the most alarming thing is that if these kind of accusations were about Trump and/or Putin they would believe it without question and without evidence of course. These type of people really help make politics the sham it is.

Oh, TOTALLY!!

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09 Mar 2017, 7:23 pm

Obama was probably too busy working at Comet Pizza (where he and Hillary run that child prostitution ring) to break into the Trump Tower.

The break in was probably perpetrated by the same folks who did the massacres in Sweden, and in Kentucky! :lol:

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09 Mar 2017, 7:28 pm

Well Podesta did fly in a $50k 'pizza and hotdog' party from Chicago for Obama, some kind of party huh?

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09 Mar 2017, 8:11 pm

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Well Podesta did fly in a $50k 'pizza and hotdog' party from Chicago for Obama, some kind of party huh?

As I would imagine that such a party would be quite large, the number of pizzas and hotdogs would have to be pricey, especially as the rich, regardless of party, tend to be overly extravagant. The idea that this was some sort of pedophile thing is simply not credible, and is, rather, the invention of forty year old Trumpanzees pounding it out on their computer keyboards from their mothers' basements.

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09 Mar 2017, 8:25 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

Well Podesta did fly in a $50k 'pizza and hotdog' party from Chicago for Obama, some kind of party huh?

https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/12/1 ... iday-.html

read the email chain yourself

what does that read like to you?

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09 Mar 2017, 8:33 pm

Globe & Mail/Reuters: House committee requests copies of any Trump wiretap orders

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Law enforcement sources have said that the FBI is pursuing a wideranging counter-intelligence investigation of alleged contacts between Trump associates and Russians, as well as two separate investigations into pre-election email hacking linked to Russia which mainly targeted Democratic political operatives.

New York Daily News: Feds still examining Trump server connections amid continued wiretap confusion: report

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Unidentified sources close to the investigation of alleged Russian interference in the 2016 election told CNN that FBI officials have not dismissed evidence that a server for Moscow-based Alfa Bank repeatedly looked up contact info for a Trump Organization server.

There has been no reported that any sort of wrongdoing occurred or that the look ups led to actualy communication between Alfa and Trump, though the Alfa activity last summer has come under scrutiny again after Trump said that the Obama administration wiretapped Trump Tower.
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Press Secretary Sean Spicer said Thursday that he was “not aware” that the President was the target of any probe, walking back his assertion on Wednesday that there was no reason to believe such an investigation existed.

His new line on the matter comes after an unnamed Justice Department official told The New York Times Thursday that nobody at the agency had told the White House that Trump is not under investigation.

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09 Mar 2017, 8:42 pm

Campin_Cat wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

LOLOL So, by THIS logic, do you not believe Watergate happened? LOLOLOL

That isn't an actual argument, just another one of your LOLOL sandwiches.

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09 Mar 2017, 8:46 pm

Jacoby wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

Well Podesta did fly in a $50k 'pizza and hotdog' party from Chicago for Obama, some kind of party huh?

https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/12/1 ... iday-.html

read the email chain yourself

what does that read like to you?

Sounds like they're going to eat hotdogs.
As for that "waitress" - obviously, it was a reference to a special person, but it's quite a leap in logic to assume this has something to do with pedophilia.

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09 Mar 2017, 8:57 pm

What type of 'hotdog party' are you allowed to participate? It talks about using previous channels and of course the waitress, why would that be flown in from Chicago? I think it's code, for what is anybody's guess.

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09 Mar 2017, 9:12 pm

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High ranking party operatives. No big mystery.

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