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28 Mar 2017, 9:22 pm

EzraS wrote:

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BettaPonic wrote:

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AndrewBatman82 wrote:

i have no problem with the ban and yes i voted for Trump because he didn't let four brave americans die like Clinton did. Trump is an outsider and thats why he won he has no political strings. the judges are being to progressive and not following the rule of law. the president can ban foreign countries if he sees them as a threat to national security. im surprised that Saudi Arabia was not on the list

That's because Trump personally does business in Saudi Arabia, not to mention how America has a pusher/addict relationship with them in regards to oil.

I know it will never happen, but if you are going to ban people because they come from an area with people who pose a threat to Americans. I would say at least choose one that is actually a threat.

I concur, if the people being banned are shown to be an actual threat.

Do you feel any countries should have this ban?

I think visitors and immigrants from there should be given extra vetting, but it's essentially Un-American to ban whole populations of people due to the actions of individuals or governments.

That sounds perfectly reasonable and I doubt anyone would have had a problem with it.

Danke.

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28 Mar 2017, 9:23 pm

BettaPonic wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

BettaPonic wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

BettaPonic wrote:

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That's because Trump personally does business in Saudi Arabia, not to mention how America has a pusher/addict relationship with them in regards to oil.

I know it will never happen, but if you are going to ban people because they come from an area with people who pose a threat to Americans. I would say at least choose one that is actually a threat.

I concur, if the people being banned are shown to be an actual threat.

Do you feel any countries should have this ban?

I think visitors and immigrants from there should be given extra vetting, but it's essentially Un-American to ban whole populations of people due to the actions of individuals or governments.

That makes sense. How about countries such as North Korea? Would it make sense to ban travel to countries that pose a threat entering. North Korea could be a good example. I would be curious what about government officials. Sorry if I am asking to many questions.

There's no such thing as too many questions.

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28 Mar 2017, 10:07 pm

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Seems like WP has been taken over by the prepubescent male crowd, always a perennial favorite - the hero with a thousand faces. I guess when you're a 46 year old woman you get to be the monster.

No I think there's 3-4 of us males of similar vintage to yourself who are on the receiving end...

I think in sport it's called attacking the player not the ball...

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28 Mar 2017, 11:09 pm

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And who is my sock puppet?

I find it amusing that WP's three full time troll narcissists are only ones who keep bringing up the subject of sock puppets, while talking to each other.

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28 Mar 2017, 11:24 pm

cyberdad wrote:

androbot01 wrote:

Seems like WP has been taken over by the prepubescent male crowd, always a perennial favorite - the hero with a thousand faces. I guess when you're a 46 year old woman you get to be the monster.

No I think there's 3-4 of us males of similar vintage to yourself who are on the receiving end...

I think in sport it's called attacking the player not the ball...

Actually, it's you all who resort to ageism first. Like you comparing me to your 11 year old daughter or lines like, "Ezra like a lot of teenagers..." etc.

It's the "we're old enough to be your parents, more educated, more experienced, much wiser than you" dismissive attitude that inevitably leads to age becoming an issue later on.

People can't really take on the "I'm older than you so there" stance and then complain about their age being pointed out later. Like you say, it's only an issue only involving a handful of people. With most, they don't either bring it up about themselves or point it out in others.

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29 Mar 2017, 6:03 am

cyberdad wrote:

androbot01 wrote:

Seems like WP has been taken over by the prepubescent male crowd, always a perennial favorite - the hero with a thousand faces. I guess when you're a 46 year old woman you get to be the monster.

No I think there's 3-4 of us males of similar vintage to yourself who are on the receiving end...

I think in sport it's called attacking the player not the ball...

It would seem so. These phases seem to last a year or so and then the tone of WP will change again. This incarnation is unproductive to discussion which is unfortunate.

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29 Mar 2017, 12:06 pm

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Bush ties to bin Laden haunt grim anniversary - Denver Post

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In 1978, Bush and Osama bin Laden’s brother, Salem bin Laden, founded Arbusto Energy, an oil company based in Texas.

Several bin Laden family members invested millions in The Carlyle Group, a private global equity firm based in Washington, DC. The company’s senior advisor was Bush’s father, former President George H.W. Bush. After news of the bin Laden-Bush connection became public, the elder Bush stepped down from Carlyle.

Interestingly, on Sept. 11, 2001, members of the Carlyle Group – including Bush senior, and his former secretary of state, James Baker – were meeting at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Washington, D.C., along with Shafiq bin Laden, another one of Osama bin Laden’s brothers.

While all flights were halted following the terrorist attacks, there was one exception made: The White House authorized planes to pick up 140 Saudi nationals, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, living in various cities in the U.S. to bring them back to Saudi Arabia, where they would be safe. They were never interrogated.

OMG----that's disturbing. I don't think I've ever read / heard that, before----at least, I don't remember reading / hearing-about it, before.

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29 Mar 2017, 1:22 pm

androbot01 wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

androbot01 wrote:

Seems like WP has been taken over by the prepubescent male crowd, always a perennial favorite - the hero with a thousand faces. I guess when you're a 46 year old woman you get to be the monster.

No I think there's 3-4 of us males of similar vintage to yourself who are on the receiving end...

I think in sport it's called attacking the player not the ball...

It would seem so. These phases seem to last a year or so and then the tone of WP will change again. This incarnation is unproductive to discussion which is unfortunate.

I think the normal trolls have been given social permission, by the orange troll in chief, to step up thier trolling. Hate crimes have increased since the election, and that serms to be when the tone changed.

It is very common (science backs this) for conservatives to project thier actions and motives on others, so that is why some of them accise us of being trolls, especially the more sensitive of them.

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29 Mar 2017, 4:33 pm

feral botanist wrote:

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feral botanist wrote:

androbot01 wrote:

EzraS wrote:

You love to target me that's for sure.

feral botanist wrote:

This is a pattern for you.

A someposts somwthing political

B you post a "joke", which is usually an outrageous statement, you know will offend or bother someone.

C someone else posts a serious response to your "joke"

D you get to say "hey Im only joking you irrational person" or words to that effect

E topic is disrupted and you feel in control and powerfull

I have noticed this pattern too. Thank you for pointing it out.
I think Ezra likes to derail topics, especially ones where his viewpoint is not supported.

I dont understand people, but I am good with patterns.

Raptor does something similar, he tries to shock you with bizarre provocative statements and then accuses you of being too sensitive (or his sock puppet does).

Got examples?
And who is my sock puppet?

Interesting, so you are not denying that you have one.

:lol:

Still can't find nothin, eh?

Keep trying little fella...

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29 Mar 2017, 4:35 pm

EzraS wrote:

Raptor wrote:

And who is my sock puppet?

I find it amusing that WP's three full time troll narcissists are only ones who keep bringing up the subject of sock puppets, while talking to each other.

You should ahve been here back in 2011-12.
WOW, it was nuts!! !

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29 Mar 2017, 6:22 pm

Raptor wrote:

feral botanist wrote:

Raptor wrote:

feral botanist wrote:

androbot01 wrote:

EzraS wrote:

You love to target me that's for sure.

feral botanist wrote:

I have noticed this pattern too. Thank you for pointing it out.
I think Ezra likes to derail topics, especially ones where his viewpoint is not supported.

Got examples?
And who is my sock puppet?

Interesting, so you are not denying that you have one.

:lol:

Still can't find nothin, eh?

Keep trying little fella...

Still no denial? You even admitted in a post a couple months ago. If I tell you who I think it is, you will just create a new one.

Everytime you need a safe space you roll em out to make it look like you are not alone and vulnerable.

Hows it working for you snowflake?

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29 Mar 2017, 6:43 pm

feral botanist wrote:

Raptor wrote:

feral botanist wrote:

Raptor wrote:

feral botanist wrote:

androbot01 wrote:

EzraS wrote:

You love to target me that's for sure.

feral botanist wrote:

I have noticed this pattern too. Thank you for pointing it out.
I think Ezra likes to derail topics, especially ones where his viewpoint is not supported.

Got examples?
And who is my sock puppet?

Interesting, so you are not denying that you have one.

:lol:

Still can't find nothin, eh?

Keep trying little fella...

I meant this:

feral botanist wrote:

Raptor does something similar, he tries to shock you with bizarre provocative statements and then accuses you of being too sensitive."

Find examples of it.

Sock puppets? I don't know why I would need one in addition to Raptor since I'm comfortable operating as a lone wolf. I thought sock puppets were for AFTER a person gets banned and slips back in under a different IP address. Yes, I have done that and there is a right way and a wrong way to do it.

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29 Mar 2017, 8:01 pm

Raptor wrote:

feral botanist wrote:

Raptor wrote:

feral botanist wrote:

Raptor wrote:

feral botanist wrote:

androbot01 wrote:

EzraS wrote:

You love to target me that's for sure.

feral botanist wrote:

I have noticed this pattern too. Thank you for pointing it out.
I think Ezra likes to derail topics, especially ones where his viewpoint is not supported.

Got examples?
And who is my sock puppet?

Interesting, so you are not denying that you have one.

:lol:

Still can't find nothin, eh?

Keep trying little fella...

I meant this:

feral botanist wrote:

Raptor does something similar, he tries to shock you with bizarre provocative statements and then accuses you of being too sensitive."

Are you seroius? Thats mostly what you do...isnt that obvious.

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29 Mar 2017, 8:09 pm

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Sock puppets? I don't know why I would need one in addition to Raptor since I'm comfortable operating as a lone wolf. I thought sock puppets were for AFTER a person gets banned and slips back in under a different IP address. Yes, I have done that and there is a right way and a wrong way to do it.

It's amusing how someone who claims they don't understand people, goes about systematically profiling them. Not to mention someone with unrealistic aspie quiz et al scores making accusations of duplicity.

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29 Mar 2017, 8:15 pm

Campin_Cat wrote:

ASPartOfMe wrote:

Bush ties to bin Laden haunt grim anniversary - Denver Post

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OMG----that's disturbing. I don't think I've ever read / heard that, before----at least, I don't remember reading / hearing-about it, before.

There might be something to be said about incredible information one has ever heard about before over the course of 15 years.

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29 Mar 2017, 9:08 pm

EzraS wrote:

I also find it interesting how someone who always complains to the mods that everyone is picking on him, but continues to make negative comments about those same people he complains about, and when the mods wont help him, he falls back on the "Im a poor autistic person" in a forum for autistic people.

If you cant run with the big dogs stay on the porch.

And in case you are interested, I make mental models of people. I record thier actions, the build hypothesis about those actions and then test them.

My mental model of you is whiney, selfcentered, little boy.
Moderator note: this post of yours ^ also breaches the rules, for same reasons that Ezra's did.

Now go complain to the mods again.
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