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05 May 2017, 6:36 pm

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Flesh is revealed, ever more, not respecting the spirit of modesty. I say, allow social nudity. But, allow me the same freedom, to say, that is a naked person.

This is subjective but how much flesh is permitted is subject to situations/conditions i.e. beach/hot day = more exposure is permitted whereas urban/cold = less exposure and more covering up

Interestingly rules applied to women don't apply to men. Men are permitted to walk around without a shirt and doesn't apply to your classification as they are not considered "naked" therefore naked appears to only apply to women which is gender bias. I suspect this is where the judge is coming from in his decision.



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01 Sep 2017, 6:34 pm

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It has been legal in Ontario, Canada for years.

Point is...being legal...and actually walking around half naked are two different things...

99.9% of women know that you can legally walk around in a bikini, I would wager there is nobody exercising their legal rights, not just because of the attention it would attract, but also because most women are self conscious of their own bodies...


If enough women (of all descriptions, including plus-size, elder, etc.) ignored the criticisms that make them self-conscious or uncomfortable about being seen in public, and appeared, together in large numbers, in public as nude as legally permissible, then most likely that self-consciousness would end.

Women are sometimes too sensitive to other women's criticism. All descriptions of women should feel comfortable being seen in public as they are. No one should feel ashamed so as to have to cover themselves. Fostering that fearful ashamed attitude is inexcusable.

There are two basic designs on which people are constructed*. It's no secret how people's bodies look. No secret is being kept by covering everyone up. So then, what's the point of the cover-up laws???
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* I emphasize that, if there are a few physically non-binary people, I wouldn't discriminate against them by requiring them to cover up. I believe that everyone should have the same rights. Why is it so important to keep secrets about the human body? What's the big deal?

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02 Sep 2017, 12:58 pm

Michael829 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
AnneOleson wrote:
It has been legal in Ontario, Canada for years.

Point is...being legal...and actually walking around half naked are two different things...

99.9% of women know that you can legally walk around in a bikini, I would wager there is nobody exercising their legal rights, not just because of the attention it would attract, but also because most women are self conscious of their own bodies...


If enough women (of all descriptions, including plus-size, elder, etc.) ignored the criticisms that make them self-conscious or uncomfortable about being seen in public, and appeared, together in large numbers, in public as nude as legally permissible, then most likely that self-consciousness would end.

Women are sometimes too sensitive to other women's criticism. All descriptions of women should feel comfortable being seen in public as they are. No one should feel ashamed so as to have to cover themselves. Fostering that fearful ashamed attitude is inexcusable.

There are two basic designs on which people are constructed*. It's no secret how people's bodies look. No secret is being kept by covering everyone up. So then, what's the point of the cover-up laws???
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* I emphasize that, if there are a few physically non-binary people, I wouldn't discriminate against them by requiring them to cover up. I believe that everyone should have the same rights. Why is it so important to keep secrets about the human body? What's the big deal?

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You are absolutely right!



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02 Sep 2017, 7:42 pm

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There are two basic designs on which people are constructed*. It's no secret how people's bodies look. No secret is being kept by covering everyone up. So then, what's the point of the cover-up laws???

Simple! puritanical Christianity, the legacy could be seen in Victorian England where women wore full outfits when going to the beach. We've been prudish ever since.



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10 Sep 2017, 7:38 pm

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On the flipside I think a lot of men should refrain taking of their shirts (or wearing lycra)


Men should never wear lycra. It was only ever meant for females, not males. Taking off one's shirt isn't a good idea for most of them either, and I really wish Putin would stop doing it.



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11 Sep 2017, 10:43 am

Lintar wrote:
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On the flipside I think a lot of men should refrain taking of their shirts (or wearing lycra)


Men should never wear lycra. It was only ever meant for females, not males. Taking off one's shirt isn't a good idea for most of them either, and I really wish Putin would stop doing it.


People rarely complain about body-shaming men. It doesn't make as much difference in outcomes, though, since people comment far less on men's bodies than on their professional accomplishments. In the same setting, people will make more comments about women's appearance than their work-related achievements.

When will people learn to express their opinions as opinions, rather than trying to make them facts by stating them as though they were? Your sincere feelings do not make things true in general.


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12 Sep 2017, 11:03 am

Lintar wrote:
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On the flipside I think a lot of men should refrain taking of their shirts (or wearing lycra)


Men should never wear lycra. It was only ever meant for females, not males. Taking off one's shirt isn't a good idea for most of them either, and I really wish Putin would stop doing it.


Shirts are for protection from cold. That's all. There's no reason to wear one on a hot day. ...for anyone, women or men.

Humans are a tropical species. A hundred degree Fahrenheit day isn't a problem at all. ....unless we have to wear a shirt.

Above in this thread I said that women of all descriptions and builds shouldn't have to wear a shirt.

I believe in equal rights in that matter.

We have to get past this notion that not covering-up means showing-off or displaying. When I said that women shouldn't have to wear shirts, I wasn't referring only to playboy-models.

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12 Sep 2017, 11:13 am

No shirt,no shoes,no service.
I think both sexes should wear a top in most public areas,unless at a beach,park or recreation area.Then what's good for the goose is good for the gander.Sun burned nips don't sound like fun to me,but whatever.


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12 Sep 2017, 1:09 pm

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No shirt,no shoes,no service.
I think both sexes should wear a top in most public areas,unless at a beach,park or recreation area


But why? Why should people have to artificially, unnecessarily, make themselves uncomfortable by wearing a shirt on a hot day?

On a 100 degree day, would I wear a shirt when walking up a steep hill with heavy groceries? No. Would you, if you didn't have to?

As I've said, there are basically only two designs on which humans are built, and we all know what they look like. No secret is being kept by requiring people to cover up. So what's the big deal?

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12 Sep 2017, 2:47 pm

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No shirt,no shoes,no service.
I think both sexes should wear a top in most public areas,unless at a beach,park or recreation area


But why? Why should people have to artificially, unnecessarily, make themselves uncomfortable by wearing a shirt on a hot day?

On a 100 degree day, would I wear a shirt when walking up a steep hill with heavy groceries? No. Would you, if you didn't have to?

As I've said, there are basically only two designs on which humans are built, and we all know what they look like. No secret is being kept by requiring people to cover up. So what's the big deal?

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Oh yes I would.And I've seen plenty of hot days around a hundred and do yard and garden work in heat and humidity.Its more uncomfortable to not have a nice 100% cotton shirt on.If you want your nipple to get ripped off by a saw briar be my guest.Also,lots of bugs here.I don't want mosquito bites on my boobs.Or a melanoma.
I prefer to to not see shirtless sweaty tops of any sex.If I want to veiw that,I'd just go to a Rainbow gathering.
I could care less about what folks wear to a public beach or pool.


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12 Sep 2017, 4:16 pm

I think that when society's view of women having a perfect body, female sexualization, and all the other issues related to it have dissipated, then I would say topless women would probably be common in our everyday life.

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12 Sep 2017, 6:20 pm

Laws can only be made against actions that violate the right of another. When a person is looking at a nude person, no rights are being violated.



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08 Oct 2017, 1:48 pm

Misslizard wrote:
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Why should people have to artificially, unnecessarily, make themselves uncomfortable by wearing a shirt on a hot day?

On a 100 degree day, would I wear a shirt when walking up a steep hill with heavy groceries? No. Would you, if you didn't have to?



I prefer to to not see shirtless sweaty tops of any sex


But people's faces, of both sexes, are often sweaty on a hot day too. So doesn't that mean that we should all have to wear a ski-mask, so that people won't have to see our sweaty faces?

If not, why not, if torsos should be covered?

And how far do you take it? Should women not wear shorts on a hot day?

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08 Oct 2017, 7:32 pm

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Why should people have to artificially, unnecessarily, make themselves uncomfortable by wearing a shirt on a hot day?

On a 100 degree day, would I wear a shirt when walking up a steep hill with heavy groceries? No. Would you, if you didn't have to?



I prefer to to not see shirtless sweaty tops of any sex


But people's faces, of both sexes, are often sweaty on a hot day too. So doesn't that mean that we should all have to wear a ski-mask, so that people won't have to see our sweaty faces?

If not, why not, if torsos should be covered?

And how far do you take it? Should women not wear shorts on a hot day?

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Try wearing a ski mask in Arkansas on a 90% humidity 100 degree day and you'll see why not.Proably give you a damn heat stroke.Many people wear light colored clothing in extremely hot climates.It helps keep you from dehydrating and protects your skin.
If people want to be topless at a beach,pool,park etc...I DON'T care.Just not in the grocery store,restaurants or places like that.
Do you really want to sit on a public bus seat and stew in the sweat from another persons sweaty back??Gross,and if they didn't have shorts on,what if the previous person before you had the crabs?!
If you want 24/7 nudity I'd suggest you move to a nudist colony.Just remember to put a towel down before you sit anywhere,it's considered rude not to.


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08 Oct 2017, 7:36 pm

I actually don't have an issue with the idea of public nudity, however it may be difficult to get the public to change their mindset about it. Basically in america nudity is always seen as sexual, so that would have to change to make it a possibility. I mean in europe for instance I have heard they may show a shampoo ad with a nude person taking a shower, whearas in the U.S they wouldn't be able to do a commercial like that because it would be seen as too 'sexual' and being inappropriate for minors.


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I actually don't have an issue with the idea of public nudity, however it may be difficult to get the public to change their mindset about it. Basically in america nudity is always seen as sexual, so that would have to change to make it a possibility. I mean in europe for instance I have heard they may show a shampoo ad with a nude person taking a shower, whearas in the U.S they wouldn't be able to do a commercial like that because it would be seen as too 'sexual' and being inappropriate for minors.


There aren't just full on frontal displays in ads ( :lol: ) but you get nakedness on TV on adverts with the main bits ever so slightly hidden.

You guys ever heard of a telly program in the UK called Naked Attraction? It's quite a popular evening show here. It's a dating show where participants are all completely naked, the person choosing then gets to examine his or her prospective dates by just looking at their bodies with their heads covered, you get close up shots of penis and vagina while the person wanting a date is up close looking at them discussing which ones are nicest etc. :lol: