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23 May 2017, 6:01 am

Arndale was evacuated a few minutee ago over bomb scare. Man arrested.

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23 May 2017, 6:10 am

Sounds like a copy cat.


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23 May 2017, 6:25 am

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Ariana grande is just a kid in the wrong place at the wrong time.


She's not "just a kid" - she's 23. I know that responding to this comment in the way I did may seem petty, but I just do not like condescension, in any form when I come across it. After all, how many of us here have been treated like "just a kid" because we couldn't understand the utterly confusing thought processes behind most forms of (accepted) social interaction?

In any case she currently has stated "I'm sorry and don't have any words" I supposed Ja Rule could learn a thing or two from her...



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23 May 2017, 6:30 am

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Why deprive the planned show-goers their entertainment ?
She could open up with a word/ comment , lead a sing- along of some appropriate songs


A number of celebrities in the US have indirectly cast shadows over the security which (of course) has nothing to do Ariana Grande and was never her responsibility. But I imagine since she was so close to the bombing it would have a similar effect to being a victim including PTSD. I don't see how she could be in the right frame of mind to be bouncing around in lingerie on stage after small children had their brains exploded over a 100m radius at her last concert...



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23 May 2017, 6:39 am

...To spell it out , I initially heard about it off the audio of my roommate's TV , no video , mine was stuck on another station then .
Did Ms. Grande play any UK shows in this tour prior to this ? Edinburgh ?
Doing this , I checked her web-site and saw that May 25 , the first of two in London , was her next show . Later , however , I saw that she'd postponed additional shows . She had tweeted her feelings , but there was nothing I saw on the site - I imagine she's trying to think of something of more length .


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23 May 2017, 6:41 am

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What I think, is that they didnt have enough security


How many security did they have?



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23 May 2017, 7:04 am

...Anything else aside , what celebrities said such about security ? I saw the TV news informing us of what some celebrities had to say about it (they didn't like it) - I mentally dabbed at putting on my Cultural Commentator " proper " sackcloth and ashes and going " aaah , this is our celebrity-obsessed culture now " :wink: I !
100 MILES , by the way ?





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Why deprive the planned show-goers their entertainment ?
She could open up with a word/ comment , lead a sing- along of some appropriate songs


A number of celebrities in the US have indirectly cast shadows over the security which (of course) has nothing to do Ariana Grande and was never her responsibility. But I imagine since she was so close to the bombing it would have a similar effect to being a victim including PTSD. I don't see how she could be in the right frame of mind to be bouncing around in lingerie on stage after small children had their brains exploded over a 100m radius at her last concert...[/quote]


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23 May 2017, 7:17 am

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From what I gleaned from CNN, a great many injuries and deaths may have resulted from people fleeing as a mob in terror, trampling those unfortunates who fell of slipped to the floor.


I don't think that's correct Kraichgauer. I was watching CNN and they suggested the deaths were from the bomb. I heard nothing of anyone being trampled.



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23 May 2017, 7:31 am

...As I said , ABC brought it up as well .








raichgauer"]From what I gleaned from CNN, a great many injuries and deaths may have resulted from people fleeing as a mob in terror, trampling those unfortunates who fell of slipped to the floor.[/quote]

I don't think that's correct Kraichgauer. I was watching CNN and they suggested the deaths were from the bomb. I heard nothing of anyone being trampled.[/quote]


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23 May 2017, 8:05 am

Guardian: Second Manchester bomb victim named as eight-year-old Saffie Rose Roussos

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The first victim to be named in the aftermath of the attack was 18-year-old Georgina Callander.


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Eight-year-old Saffie Rose Roussos was at the concert with her mother, Lisa Roussos, and sister Ashlee Bromwich. It is understood they are being treated in hospital.


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23 May 2017, 8:15 am

when is enough enough?

this is the new normal and will only happen with increasing frequency



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23 May 2017, 8:19 am

Jacoby wrote:
when is enough enough?

this is the new normal and will only happen with increasing frequency


I am thinking that public assembly will decline until it is totally absent. With the technology available, it is a better aesthetic experience to watch entertainment from one's own system. The only reason people still assemble at things like concerts and sports is to participate in the event by being there. But the danger these days is too grave.



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23 May 2017, 10:15 am

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Guardian: Second Manchester bomb victim named as eight-year-old Saffie Rose Roussos

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The first victim to be named in the aftermath of the attack was 18-year-old Georgina Callander.


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Eight-year-old Saffie Rose Roussos was at the concert with her mother, Lisa Roussos, and sister Ashlee Bromwich. It is understood they are being treated in hospital.


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Oh my Lord. Ariana Grande had taken an actual picture with the first victim. She's going to be traumatized for the rest of her life. How weird is that? I feel creeped out just looking at the picture.


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23 May 2017, 10:41 am

androbot01 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
when is enough enough?

this is the new normal and will only happen with increasing frequency


I am thinking that public assembly will decline until it is totally absent. With the technology available, it is a better aesthetic experience to watch entertainment from one's own system. The only reason people still assemble at things like concerts and sports is to participate in the event by being there. But the danger these days is too grave.


Large groups have always been a risk and always will be. For all the power of a large group, it's also a risky environment: herds of buffalo will trample their own if spooked, ambush predators such as crocodiles hunt at the watering hole where large numbers of animals congregate, numerous fossil beds consist of groups of animals meaning a natural event happened and the size of the group prevented several from retreating. Humans have been known to trample their own in a large group, as well as prevent exit in an emergency, and terrorist are no different than crocodiles looking for the easiest place to find prey.



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23 May 2017, 12:11 pm

Manchester attack: Bombing suspect named as Salman Abedi, police confirm

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The Fallowfield property, where Abedi was registered as living, became the centre of the investigation into the atrocity outrage as detectives hunted those thought to be behind the blast.

Greater Manchester Police said a controlled explosion was carried out in Elsmore Road at around lunchtime on Tuesday.

It came as a 23-year-old man was also arrested by plain clothes police officers in south Manchester over the deadly bombing .


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23 May 2017, 2:32 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
when is enough enough?

this is the new normal and will only happen with increasing frequency


I am thinking that public assembly will decline until it is totally absent. With the technology available, it is a better aesthetic experience to watch entertainment from one's own system. The only reason people still assemble at things like concerts and sports is to participate in the event by being there. But the danger these days is too grave.


Large groups have always been a risk and always will be. For all the power of a large group, it's also a risky environment: herds of buffalo will trample their own if spooked, ambush predators such as crocodiles hunt at the watering hole where large numbers of animals congregate, numerous fossil beds consist of groups of animals meaning a natural event happened and the size of the group prevented several from retreating. Humans have been known to trample their own in a large group, as well as prevent exit in an emergency, and terrorist are no different than crocodiles looking for the easiest place to find prey.

I don't think we have a statistical trend, such that we can legitimately call this "the new normal." All kinds of things kill more people than terrorism. If we need more screening and security at concerts, then we need more health screenings and better security in home bathrooms. Promoting the idea that parties are dangerous just helps the terrorists win.


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