Two men killed while trying to stop abuse of muslim women.

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30 May 2017, 11:30 pm

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ugh the guy wasn't Christian

Yeah, the night before he said, "looks like we have a Christian or Muslim (expletive) bus driver, I'll stab you too".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6VzqiukV2A

He seemed to hate Christians and Muslims.

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30 May 2017, 11:41 pm

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I think it's disgusting the way certain media and people are tying to politically exploit this tragedy committed by a lone individual who is obviously nuts.

But exploiting tragedies perpetrated by lone Islamist nuts is fair game? People don't develop racist ideology on their own, and this guy apparently parroted the exact words of assorted racist supporters of DJT.

What a transparently shallow remark!

Islam has nothing to do with race. Different issue entirely.

Plenty of racists associate Islam with dark skin.

I don't know about that, but in any case these people - if they exist - are racist because they hate people with dark skin. Anyone can be a muslim. I myself could become one if I wanted to. As R. Dawkins once said, "Anything that you can convert into, or apostasise out of, isn't a race". Opposing the religious ideology of Islam is not, and never can be, "racist".

If racism was logical, that would be true, but it clearly is not logical. Race doesn't even have a consistent definition for scientists.

Also, Islam has some pillars on which all agree, but murdering infidels is not on the list. Not even all Islamists agree on that principle.

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31 May 2017, 12:38 am

Lintar wrote:

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Lintar wrote:

jrjones9933 wrote:

EzraS wrote:

I think it's disgusting the way certain media and people are tying to politically exploit this tragedy committed by a lone individual who is obviously nuts.

Islam has nothing to do with race. Different issue entirely.

Plenty of racists associate Islam with dark skin.

Yes, religion is not tied to race, but racists still associate dark skinned Middle eastern people with Islam, and white people with Christianity (even though the very first Christians were the ancestors of those same dark skinned Muslims).

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31 May 2017, 3:55 am

Well Sarah Palin was morally reponsible for a nutjob shooting Gabreille Giffords and murdering 6 other people

We can thank Mr Trump for giving the "green light" for this latest racist nutjob...the families of the deceased won't be grateful to all the anti-muslim rhetoric coming from Trump

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31 May 2017, 7:54 am

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BS

Jared Loughner was completely and incoherently insane, he believed that government was using grammar to control his mind

Leftists invoke far more violent imagery, see: Kathy Griffin. The projection never stops with you people.

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31 May 2017, 8:12 am

"Leftists" and "Rightists" are equally culpable when it comes to political and rhetorical squabbling. They both do "dirty tricks."

Under all circumstances, those two men who were killed are heroes. No political position can justify how these men were killed.

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31 May 2017, 10:44 am

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Wow, what if he's mentally ill----NOT that that should be used as an EXCUSE for his behavior----but, what if he just needs somebody to listen to him (to how he feels about things, and stuff), what if he's been abused or bullied all of his life, or something; what if people have always made him feel like he was less-than, or not good enough to "mix-in" with "regular" people, or something..... What other kinds of people might be feeling like this----that they're misunderstood, thought to be less-than, etc.? What if we ASDers used this incident to fight for people, like him, who might not, actually, be that far removed from us (since so many of us with an ASD, also have mental health problems, as well, like Depression, Anxiety, etc.), instead of just summarily dismissing him, with a shout of "Fry 'im!!" (or, some such)?

Don't get me wrong----I think what he did, was AWFUL; BUT, why aren't we showing the same compassion / understanding, etc., to HIM, that we're constantly trying to get others to have, for US (ASDers)?

Also, AFAIC, these continued racial-issue attacks need to wake SOMEBODY up (like, somebody with an organization, or something), to what seems to be a sign of racism being alot more deep-seated, or something, in this country, than most people realize----like, these people, that are doing all of this racist killing, seem to have been "bubbling cauldrons", for quite some time, and SOMETHING is making all of their lids blow-off, all-of-a-sudden----and SOMEBODY (like the aforementioned with an organization, or the APA, or somebody) needs to do something about it / put more effort into figuring-out what's causing it, so it can be curbed / STOPPED!!

And, please don't say "It's all Trump's fault", or something like that (that's too easy)----things he's said may have caused some of these people to finally lose it, but I get the feeling that they, like this guy, have been SEETHING, for YEARS, and President Trump didn't have anything to do, with that.

YEAH! And I'm calling for a total and complete ban on white Christians until we can figure out what the hell is going on!

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31 May 2017, 11:38 am

I'm so glad I'm Jewish!

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31 May 2017, 4:16 pm

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Oh yeah. Ted Nugent

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01 Jun 2017, 12:11 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

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The ugly face of Christian terror.

ugh the guy wasn't Christian

he was actually some weirdo 'Odinist' pagan.

Now, that is true. Such neo-Norse/Germanic paganism is always tied to white nationalism. It's hard to believe that anyone would seriously put faith in such mythic and primitive deities. Rather, such a religious affiliation is a statement about one's devotion to the loony far right.

That isn't really true, it is a very small portion of people who identify with norse/germanic paganism who are white nationalists. Also though I'd say the deities, are a lot more interesting, than just one omnipresent God in charge of everything.

Then I stand corrected.

I understand the correlation, some white supremacists use norse pagan symbols and some of the mythology to justify their racism...so it has caused some confusion. But a lot of people who have an appreciation of it or actually believe in it more certainly aren't white supremacists. I myself have some interest as I have some nordic heritage, and my brother has runic tatoos but we certainly aren't into white supremacy.

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01 Jun 2017, 12:16 am

kraftiekortie wrote:

^this, I agree...don't even want to be a leftist or a rightist anymore, sick of all the squabbling...now I am just me trying to find my way in the world and make a living I still have views that tie in with what the definition of the word liberal means and I like a lot of what is in our constitution and I find democratic socialism to be appealing.

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01 Jun 2017, 1:13 am

Sweetleaf wrote:

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Sweetleaf wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

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The ugly face of Christian terror.

ugh the guy wasn't Christian

he was actually some weirdo 'Odinist' pagan.

Then I stand corrected.

To be sure, simple interest in the mythology of our ancestors is not wrong or bad in any way. It's too bad that racists, even before the Nazis, had used Norse/Germanic myth to promote their own hateful ideology.

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01 Jun 2017, 2:54 am

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I think you should be proud of your heritage and learn more about it. Knowing one's cultural roots can tell a lot about themselves and their traditions etc...

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01 Jun 2017, 2:59 am

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Norse/Germanic myth has common origins with hindu mythology. It would be highly amusing (and very likely) that it evolved in steppes of central Asia where the ancestors of dark skinned Indians also came from.

Indeed the right wing idiots who tatoo swastikas on their bodies are too stupid to know that it's culturally appropriated from hinduism where the swastika is considered sacred

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01 Jun 2017, 11:01 am

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That is absolutely true.

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03 Jun 2017, 2:41 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

These days rightists are more inclined towards machismo and chauvinism. You can gauge it by the choice of insults their trolls use... fa***t, cuck, etc... Rightists are inclined towards violence for the sake of violence and machismo (they always have this need to prove that they are "real men"), while those on the left are genuinely angry over injustice. The right has no concept of justice. They tend to believe in the mantra of might-makes-right. Overgrown bullies.

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