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13 Aug 2017, 8:36 pm

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This "white guilt," and "discrimination against whites" talk has gone from ridiculously pathetic to actually violently homicidal. We white men are on the top of the world; there is zero discrimination against us. And if you feel you have nothing to feel guilty about, then talk about white guilt shouldn't bother you. The simple fact of the matter is, the people who talk about the victimization of the white man has revealed themselves to be not those seeking to address wrongs, but are violent racist thugs who want to turn the clock back on civil rights. Do people who parrot that line of bullsh*t really want to be equated with that trash?


The problem is that quite a number of liberals think all white people walk in lockstep and that if you don't kill yourself or atleast commit self-flagellation, you are perpetuating racism just by breathing and you are a horrible monster. When I see stuff like this:



Do you really think that makes me want to join in with people who think like that? No, it repulses me and makes me either want to get away from them or punch them in the face.



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13 Aug 2017, 9:14 pm

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This "white guilt," and "discrimination against whites" talk has gone from ridiculously pathetic to actually violently homicidal. We white men are on the top of the world; there is zero discrimination against us. And if you feel you have nothing to feel guilty about, then talk about white guilt shouldn't bother you. The simple fact of the matter is, the people who talk about the victimization of the white man has revealed themselves to be not those seeking to address wrongs, but are violent racist thugs who want to turn the clock back on civil rights. Do people who parrot that line of bullsh*t really want to be equated with that trash?


The problem is that quite a number of liberals think all white people walk in lockstep and that if you don't kill yourself or atleast commit self-flagellation, you are perpetuating racism just by breathing and you are a horrible monster. When I see stuff like this:



Do you really think that makes me want to join in with people who think like that? No, it repulses me and makes me either want to get away from them or punch them in the face.


In all honesty, I've never experienced anything like that. When I hear about how white men are responsible for all tragedy in the modern world, I don't take it as meaning that I and other white men are responsible, but that the perpetrators were also white men. If someone feels that all white men are to blame, then there's something definitely wrong with them, just as there's something wrong with those right wing racist types who like to pretend they're victims in order to justify their reactionary ideology.


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13 Aug 2017, 9:22 pm

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This "white guilt," and "discrimination against whites" talk has gone from ridiculously pathetic to actually violently homicidal. We white men are on the top of the world; there is zero discrimination against us. And if you feel you have nothing to feel guilty about, then talk about white guilt shouldn't bother you. The simple fact of the matter is, the people who talk about the victimization of the white man has revealed themselves to be not those seeking to address wrongs, but are violent racist thugs who want to turn the clock back on civil rights. Do people who parrot that line of bullsh*t really want to be equated with that trash?


The problem is that quite a number of liberals think all white people walk in lockstep and that if you don't kill yourself or atleast commit self-flagellation, you are perpetuating racism just by breathing and you are a horrible monster. When I see stuff like this:



Do you really think that makes me want to join in with people who think like that? No, it repulses me and makes me either want to get away from them or punch them in the face.


In all honesty, I've never experienced anything like that. When I hear about how white men are responsible for all tragedy in the modern world, I don't take it as meaning that I and other white men are responsible, but that the perpetrators were also white men. If someone feels that all white men are to blame, then there's something definitely wrong with them, just as there's something wrong with those right wing racist types who like to pretend they're victims in order to justify their reactionary ideology.


I can agree to that. I find both extreme viewpoints to be ridiculous.



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13 Aug 2017, 9:40 pm

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With Charlottesville being somewhat progressive this comes as a surprise.

Yeah, but it seems that most progressives are only progressive when whatever is something that they're FOR----IOW, since they were AGAINST the statue remaining, nobody else could be FOR it.


Yes, if you're for what they're against your a hater.
They also changed the name of Lee Park (the site of the statue) to Emancipation Park which is total BS. War monuments are actually protected by Virginia law but the snowflakes are finding ways around it.

What's next, Destroying UVA since it was founded by slave owner, then for good measure burn down Monticello? Maybe removing Lee's name from Washington and Lee University in Lexington. Oh wait, Washington owned slaves so his name has to be struck, too.
There's almost no limit to how far this insanity could go.


If Heather Heyer was killed by a muslim we know where your cross hairs (To borrow the language of Sarah Palin) would be aimed...funny nothing to say about the innocent victim?


Strawman much?

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13 Aug 2017, 10:01 pm

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NO person alive, TODAY, is a former slave owner----

Whites in the US are beneficiaries of a slave economy that basically helped build America

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and, most former slave owners, back-in-the-day, didn't call the slaves, "black".

I can't print what slaves would have been called back in the day. Suffice to say the average white American treated their pet animals better than how slaves were being treated (of course people love their pets)

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I'm descended from Native Americans----but I, nor none of my relatives (still on the reservation), don't still live with the legacy of slaughter, because we choose NOT to; and, if you think we're not still discriminated against, you need to think again. Just about any group one can think-of, has a legacy----the Native Americans have "The Trail of Tears", the gays have Stonewall, the Jewish have the Holocaust, etc.----but, ANY group can choose NOT to "live with" that legacy (as in, have it be a part of their near-every breath/thought).

Well this is a positive outlook and I agree with the philospohy

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If a black person can get-off a plane, here, from Barbados, and be called "brother", by an American black, then whites can call anybody a patriot, that they want----what's good for the goose, is good for the gander. At least when an American white calls a "white foreigner", a patriot, the foreigner doesn't LAUGH at them (because they're grateful / proud, to be accepted), like alot of foreign blacks laugh at American blacks, for calling them "brother", because, IME, alot of foreign blacks think most American blacks that they meet, are BEYOND ignorant. Foreign blacks don't NEED to be accepted by American blacks (they want to be accepted by Americans, as-a-whole, and do their best to acclimate)----and, the LAST thing they wanna do, generally speaking, is be like an American black; and, BECAUSE they want to acclimate, is the reason they're accepted, better, than alot of American blacks, who want to self-segregate.

Are you sure all of them want to self-segregate? you need to give people more time, it may take a few more generations for people to feel healed from social oppression. Heck my Irish brother in law tells me the Irish still feel hard done by by the English but they have had a few more hundred years than blacks to overcome this opression



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13 Aug 2017, 10:41 pm

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One of things that I found really interesting in the OP article, was where it said: "[/b][/color]Attendees and journalists at the scene had said that police were not intervening to break up many of the fights, which were shared on social media.". I find that really interesting, and am wondering if it was because the cops agreed with the "FOR Lee Monument" people.


With all the visibility the cops don't want to put themselves at risk of crucifixion by doing their jobs and cracking some heads. One of these days sh!t like this is going to spill over into middle class neighborhoods and the residents won't put up with it. I for one won't tolerate having my house vandalized by mobs regardless of thier cause.


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13 Aug 2017, 11:20 pm

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13 Aug 2017, 11:35 pm

On one hand, I do not approve of white nationalism and I think it is totally a bs cause to rally behind.

But on the other hand, I have to admit that it stung when I told my liberal family about a time I was a victim of homophobic violence, and all they had to say was "you're a white guy and privileged, so it wasn't real discrimination".

The sad thing is that most people know that both of those extremes are BS, but because rational people do not pound their chests and scream insane rants, their calm and rational words get ignored by the mass media in favor of madmen.



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14 Aug 2017, 12:09 am

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On one hand, I do not approve of white nationalism and I think it is totally a bs cause to rally behind.

But on the other hand, I have to admit that it stung when I told my liberal family about a time I was a victim of homophobic violence, and all they had to say was "you're a white guy and privileged, so it wasn't real discrimination".

The sad thing is that most people know that both of those extremes are BS, but because rational people do not pound their chests and scream insane rants, their calm and rational words get ignored by the mass media in favor of madmen.


That's f****d up. Your family should've been there for you. Discrimination is discrimination regardless of who throws the punch.

It's also because smart people tend to overthink things while dumb people don't.



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14 Aug 2017, 5:24 am

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In all honesty, I've never experienced anything like that. When I hear about how white men are responsible for all tragedy in the modern world, I don't take it as meaning that I and other white men are responsible, but that the perpetrators were also white men. If someone feels that all white men are to blame, then there's something definitely wrong with them, just as there's something wrong with those right wing racist types who like to pretend they're victims in order to justify their reactionary ideology.

Normal "white males" do not feel THAT vulnerable BECAUSE they are a "white male". If they do there is something really wrong. It's like they have nothing better to be proud of other than the fact that they were born with a certain skin color. Aside from being insufferable douchebags, they are completely unremarkable.

If they whine about there being a double standard with regards to "white pride", well, "white" isn't a nationality or culture. If they want to say "white" means having a European culture/heritage, well, there are also brown people who are culturally European (they probably don't want to include those people). The reason "black" exists as an identity is the fact that they can't easily trace their original ethnicity for reasons we all know. It's not just about freaking skin color. Also, if they want to have pride in their skin color, do they include albinos from non-white races? The whole thing is completely absurd.

Another thing. I also find it odd that the far-right is so upset over being "falsely" accused of being racist that they decide to act like racists by saying racist things and defending racists. I see these kinds of dickheads all over youtube. Am I supposed to assume they don't really mean the racist things they say? That they are just being "edgy" and "un-peecee" in order to offend "snowflakes" and "fa***t liberals"... but don't you dare call them out on it or assume they actually are what they appear to be... because THAT is offensive and they just aren't going to take it anymore! I used to assume these idiots were all just teenagers going through a phase, but then I looked and a lot of them are in their 30s and 40s. They are grown adults trolling on the internet and pounding their chests with fake-machismo name-calling bullying middle-school penis-think. I used to think maybe they weren't real (in the sense that they even believe the crap they spew), but with the recent turn of events I'm being proven otherwise. It looks like these people really are serious.



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14 Aug 2017, 5:59 am

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In all honesty, I've never experienced anything like that. When I hear about how white men are responsible for all tragedy in the modern world, I don't take it as meaning that I and other white men are responsible, but that the perpetrators were also white men. If someone feels that all white men are to blame, then there's something definitely wrong with them, just as there's something wrong with those right wing racist types who like to pretend they're victims in order to justify their reactionary ideology.

Normal "white males" do not feel THAT vulnerable BECAUSE they are a "white male". If they do there is something really wrong. It's like they have nothing better to be proud of other than the fact that they were born with a certain skin color. Aside from being insufferable douchebags, they are completely unremarkable.

If they whine about there being a double standard with regards to "white pride", well, "white" isn't a nationality or culture. If they want to say "white" means having a European culture/heritage, well, there are also brown people who are culturally European (they probably don't want to include those people). The reason "black" exists as an identity is the fact that they can't easily trace their original ethnicity for reasons we all know. It's not just about freaking skin color. Also, if they want to have pride in their skin color, do they include albinos from non-white races? The whole thing is completely absurd.

Another thing. I also find it odd that the far-right is so upset over being "falsely" accused of being racist that they decide to act like act like racists by saying racist things and defending racists. I see these kinds of dickheads all over youtube. Am I supposed to assume they don't really mean the racist things they say? That they are just being "edgy" and "un-peecee" in order to offend "snowflakes" and "fa***t liberals"... but don't you dare call them out on it or assume they actually are what they appear to be... because THAT is offensive and they just aren't going to take it anymore! I used to assume these idiots were all just teenagers going through a phase, but then I looked and a lot of them are in their 30s and 40s. They are grown adults trolling on the internet and pounding their chests with fake-machismo name-calling bullying middle-school penis-think. I used to think maybe they weren't real (in the sense that they even believe the crap they spew), but with the recent turn of events I'm being proven otherwise. It looks like these people really are serious.


Oh, unfortunately they are real. I've always feared that a radical racist right exist in significant numbers, especially when I would read the comments section on Yahoo news, and see all these countless insane, racist, and homophobic diatribes. I had heard the arguments that such people were brave as long as they could attack minorities or liberals from behind their keyboards, or that a small group of such people were the only ones to post comments, or were just after shock value. But the fact of the matter is, there is a huge segment of neckbeards and other social misfits who resent and hate blacks, Latinos, gays, women, and others, and justify their hatred with all sort of claims that straight white Christians are getting shafted by those who very often have it worse than them.


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14 Aug 2017, 6:29 am

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(they) justify their hatred with all sort of claims that straight white Christians are getting shafted by those who very often have it worse than them.


Those racists who claim to be christian are the worst hypocrites.



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14 Aug 2017, 7:00 am

Just checking in to let you all know a what an absolute batsh*t crazy country you live in. Seriously, the rest of the world is quite staggered that there is a 1st world country that still hasn't moved on beyond this kind of shenanigans.

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14 Aug 2017, 8:53 am

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Just checking in to let you all know a what an absolute batsh*t crazy country you live in. Seriously, the rest of the world is quite staggered that there is a 1st world country that still hasn't moved on beyond this kind of shenanigans.

So, the U.S. is the ONLY "1st world country" to have racial tensions? Really?

U.K.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/23/britain-more-segregated-15-years-race-expert-riots-ted-cantle

And, if that's not good enough, for ya:

Australia
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/dec/09/cronulla-summer-simmering-tension-race-riots-10-years

And these, particularly, made me smile:

Canada

This one discussing Canada's slave-era, and mistreatment of slaves, and rioting because of it:

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/the-shelburne-race-riots/

This one, confirming, IMO, the last:

http://www.cbc.ca/firsthand/m/features/the-first-recorded-race-riot-in-north-american-happened-on-canadian-soil

And this one, gets BONUS points, cuz it discusses BAD race relations in Canada AND Britain:

http://www.cbc.ca/firsthand/blog/dont-believe-the-hype-canada-is-not-a-nation-of-cultural-tolerance

Are you "staggered" by them, as well?




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14 Aug 2017, 9:18 am

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But on the other hand, I have to admit that it stung when I told my liberal family about a time I was a victim of homophobic violence, and all they had to say was "you're a white guy and privileged, so it wasn't real discrimination".

I'm so sorry that you had to endure this----both, the violence, and your family's reaction.

This is one of the reasons I'm so passionate about this topic----because there are entirely TOO MANY Liberals who, seemingly, believe they don't have a right to shout "discrimination", when it's a white person; and, that's just BEYOND wrong, IMO, cuz NO race should think / perpetuate that they're superior (meaning, IMO, black people [or non-gay people] who discriminate are, in essence, saying that their race [or lifestyle, for lack of a better word, in relation to non-gays] is superior).





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One of things that I found really interesting in the OP article, was where it said: "Attendees and journalists at the scene had said that police were not intervening to break up many of the fights, which were shared on social media.". I find that really interesting, and am wondering if it was because the cops agreed with the "FOR Lee Monument" people.

With all the visibility the cops don't want to put themselves at risk of crucifixion by doing their jobs and cracking some heads. One of these days sh!t like this is going to spill over into middle class neighborhoods and the residents won't put up with it. I for one won't tolerate having my house vandalized by mobs regardless of thier cause.

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