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25 Dec 2017, 5:48 pm

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This is more about Trump then the issue at hand. Nearly every Democrat who condemed Trump was for moving the US embassy to Jerusalem. But with the resist everything Trump does mentalty locked in and thier base more sympathetic to the Palestinians the Dems have to have a “change of heart”.

It's not just about Trump, even senior members of the republicans have voiced their concern over the international risks to bilateral and multilateral relations for the US. Where exactly is it advantageous for American interests??

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25 Dec 2017, 9:49 pm

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Trump is too scatter brained to understand America's interests. His only concern is keeping a campaign promise to his fundie and holy roller supporters so as to keep their votes next election.

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25 Dec 2017, 10:05 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

ASPartOfMe wrote:

Trump is too scatter brained to understand America's interests. His only concern is keeping a campaign promise to his fundie and holy roller supporters so as to keep their votes next election.

His main concern is grabbing his ankles for Israel. Pretty much like every guy before him.

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25 Dec 2017, 10:58 pm

JohnPowell wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

ASPartOfMe wrote:

Trump is too scatter brained to understand America's interests. His only concern is keeping a campaign promise to his fundie and holy roller supporters so as to keep their votes next election.

His main concern is grabbing his ankles for Israel. Pretty much like every guy before him.

Wait a minute... weren't head-over-heels in love with Trump just the other day?

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26 Dec 2017, 1:55 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

ASPartOfMe wrote:

Trump is too scatter brained to understand America's interests. His only concern is keeping a campaign promise to his fundie and holy roller supporters so as to keep their votes next election.

His main concern is grabbing his ankles for Israel. Pretty much like every guy before him.

Wait a minute... weren't head-over-heels in love with Trump just the other day?

Let's wait for the comment about Jared Kushner

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26 Dec 2017, 1:57 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

ASPartOfMe wrote:

Trump is too scatter brained to understand America's interests. His only concern is keeping a campaign promise to his fundie and holy roller supporters so as to keep their votes next election.

He has a habit of scrambling and backtracking...for example the muslim travel ban and the trans pacific partnership TPP

Also the Mexicans must be laughing about his non-existent wall

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26 Dec 2017, 2:31 am

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I did not say it was just about Trump but more about him then other issues. Some of it is personal, he has insulted people the US needs and the other day they paid him back. If I were another country and had intelligence about a nuclear terrorist attack in the US I would probably not pass it on to the US for fear of it being misused or him tweeting about it. And to me that is more dangerous than moving an embassy.

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26 Dec 2017, 11:49 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

ASPartOfMe wrote:

Trump is too scatter brained to understand America's interests. His only concern is keeping a campaign promise to his fundie and holy roller supporters so as to keep their votes next election.

His main concern is grabbing his ankles for Israel. Pretty much like every guy before him.

Wait a minute... weren't head-over-heels in love with Trump just the other day?

Life's too short to keep explaining myself to you.

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26 Dec 2017, 12:07 pm

President Trump Cuts Funding to UN After Israel Vote

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he U.S. was cheering a massive $285-million cut in the United Nations' 2018 budget on Sunday—an announcement that comes days after more than 120 nations criticized the United States for its decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

In announcing the cut, Ambassador Nikki Haley blamed the world body for its budgetary excesses without making a specific reference to last week's vote on President Donald Trump's controversial Jerusalem decision. It is unclear if all of the budget savings will come from a reduction in the U.S. contribution to the U.N.'s overall $5.4-billion biennial budget, but Haley's statement did not mention any other member states.

“The inefficiency and overspending of the United Nations are well known. We will no longer let the generosity of the American people be taken advantage of or remain unchecked,” Haley said. “This historic reduction in spending—in addition to many other moves toward a more efficient and accountable U.N.—is a big step in the right direction.”

Haley said there might be further budget cuts in the future. President Trump's proposed 2018 spending budget would end funding for U.N. climate change programs and would cut funding to the United Nations Children’s Fund, also known as UNICEF, by 16 percent.

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26 Dec 2017, 4:04 pm

JohnPowell wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

ASPartOfMe wrote:

Trump is too scatter brained to understand America's interests. His only concern is keeping a campaign promise to his fundie and holy roller supporters so as to keep their votes next election.

His main concern is grabbing his ankles for Israel. Pretty much like every guy before him.

Wait a minute... weren't head-over-heels in love with Trump just the other day?

Life's too short to keep explaining myself to you.

My response had actually been rhetorical, but that's your choice.

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26 Dec 2017, 5:17 pm

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and would cut funding to the United Nations Children’s Fund, also known as UNICEF, by 16 percent.

Now that's just cruel...starving and abused kids in the third world should not be collateral damage for politics. While Trump's lack of empathy for the poor is well known I don't understand why Nikki Haley (who despite her name is south Asian herself) should be party to this. She should hang her head in shame.

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26 Dec 2017, 5:37 pm

New Zealand has a history of refusing to be intimidated by bullying from other countries, notably its very spirited resistance to French nuclear testing in the Pacific (France wasn't the only one, what the USA did to the people of Bikini atoll, using them as guinea pigs to see what a hydrogen bomb would do to their longterm health was unspeakably immoral) and NZ's refusal to allow the USA to berth its nuclear ships in NZ waters or ports. Both France and the USA tried to bully and intimidate New Zealand, though they were supposedly our allies, and we provided essential security services to them. We still do. We still trade with the USA, though it is not the major market of ours.

France, our ally, bombed a ship in our harbour in the 1980s, an act of terrorism causing death to a NZ citizen carried out by an ally state against another, which was approved of and covertly planned by the highest levels in Chirac's era.

Did we change our non-nuclear stance in response to the bullying of the USA and France then? No we didn't, nor will we change our stance on Jerusalem should the USA bullying start up again. All that achieved was to greatly diminish respect here for the USA, and those citizens who approve of bullying politicians there.

http://peacemagazine.org/archive/v24n2p27.htm

I think these historical facts are probably largely unknown to USA members.

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26 Dec 2017, 5:43 pm

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France, our ally, bombed a ship in our harbour in the 1980s, an act of terrorism causing death to a NZ citizen carried out by an ally state against another, which was approved of and covertly planned by the highest levels in Chirac's era.

Did we change our non-nuclear stance in response to the bullying of the USA and France then? No we didn't, nor will we change our stance on Jerusalem should the USA bullying start up again.

Greatly admired your former leader David Lange for standing up to the "Frogs"
The French were using the pristine waters in the south Pacific to test their nuclear weapons and employing Jacques Costeau to film propaganda documentaries claiming there was no long term impact on coral reefs from exploding nuclear war heads. Quite farcical. NZ and Lange's anti-nuclear stance led to the French sinking of Greenpeace's Rainbow warrior in Auckland harbor. Technically an act of war.

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26 Dec 2017, 5:49 pm

https://nzhistory.govt.nz/politics/nucl ... ow-warrior

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26 Dec 2017, 7:15 pm

cyberdad wrote:

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and would cut funding to the United Nations Children’s Fund, also known as UNICEF, by 16 percent.

These UN agencies are quite corrupt but the optics are terrible and children will be hurt because even through the corruption some money trickles down. Speaking of corruption like with the Paris climate change agreement I would not be surprised if Trump uses the vote to kick the UN out and use the expensive Manhattan real estate to build a Trump extravaganza.

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26 Dec 2017, 7:27 pm

I don't think I would be surprised, at this stage of the USA circus, if he tried to move the capital of the USA to New York - after all it gave the USA its greatest president with the greatest memory and the greatest inaugaration crowd and the greatest IQ and the greatest ignorance of history and the greatest history of lies, fraud and bankruptcy. He will probably erect a monumental statue of himself to replace the Statue of Liberty (the only freedom he is interested in is his own to do whatever he wants out of complete self-interested narcissism) and celebrate by walking down Fifth Avenue shooting some people to impress his remaining supporters, whom he trusts will approve. And yes, they wouldn't bat an eyelid it seems, as God sent them Trump to do as he likes.

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