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18 Jan 2018, 8:10 pm

who are those 6%?



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18 Jan 2018, 10:12 pm

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I know a young guy from Haiti who came to the US to go to college.

When asked about going back to Haiti a few days ago, he said that he would be be scared to go back to Haiti. If he had stayed in Haiti instead of coming to the US, he would have been relatively safe. By leaving the country for an education, he would effectively have a target on his back if he returned home after he graduates. It would be quite dangerous to go home.


Well, he should stay here, then.


Only if he's willing to work and/or support himself. Even then, I would encourage him to go back home and try to work on improving his country if possible. If he doesn't want to neither of these, then...

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May I add my vote to the kill me now group?


I agree, I will join you.



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18 Jan 2018, 10:25 pm

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I know a young guy from Haiti who came to the US to go to college.

When asked about going back to Haiti a few days ago, he said that he would be be scared to go back to Haiti. If he had stayed in Haiti instead of coming to the US, he would have been relatively safe. By leaving the country for an education, he would effectively have a target on his back if he returned home after he graduates. It would be quite dangerous to go home.


Well, he should stay here, then.


Only if he's willing to work and/or support himself. Even then, I would encourage him to go back home and try to work on improving his country if possible. If he doesn't want to neither of these, then...

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May I add my vote to the kill me now group?


I agree, I will join you.


Why should he go back to Haiti? My ancestors didn't go back to 19th century Europe to make it a better place. Americans are from everywhere, including Haiti.


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18 Jan 2018, 10:35 pm

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Why should he go back to Haiti? My ancestors didn't go back to 19th century Europe to make it a better place. Americans are from everywhere, including Haiti.


I am aware Americans come from everywhere; as noted many times, my family is not originally from America. He doesn't have to go back to make it a better place, only encouraged if he could and wants to. My family didn't, they came here to start a life in America. Just as my family and many others, he can stay here if he wants to work and/or support himself (if he has the money to support himself, with out work. More power to him)... If not, then he can go back without choice. We can't support everyone, we can't keep taking in freeloaders. We have enough here as it is who ruin it for those who really need assistance.

Kokopelli never stated if this person is American, this person could be here on a visa.

**Everyone in my family sponsors a child in our home country, doesn't cost much. But the money sends the children to a private school, provides a warm meal and medical. Wish we could do more, but that's about all we can afford.



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18 Jan 2018, 11:13 pm

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Why should he go back to Haiti? My ancestors didn't go back to 19th century Europe to make it a better place. Americans are from everywhere, including Haiti.


I am aware Americans come from everywhere; as noted many times, my family is not originally from America. He doesn't have to go back to make it a better place, only encouraged if he could and wants to. My family didn't, they came here to start a life in America. Just as my family and many others, he can stay here if he wants to work and/or support himself (if he has the money to support himself, with out work. More power to him)... If not, then he can go back without choice. We can't support everyone, we can't keep taking in freeloaders. We have enough here as it is who ruin it for those who really need assistance.

Kokopelli never stated if this person is American, this person could be here on a visa.

**Everyone in my family sponsors a child in our home country, doesn't cost much. But the money sends the children to a private school, provides a warm meal and medical. Wish we could do more, but that's about all we can afford.


My wife and I also sponsor a child in Bangladesh.


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19 Jan 2018, 1:29 am

we sponsor a child in Peru, got a christmas card recently



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19 Jan 2018, 7:42 am

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we sponsor a child in Peru, got a christmas card recently


We have a stack of cards, letters, and pictures. We use the same company that sponsored my mom when she was little. So we know it’s actually legit from experience. In fact when my mom came to America, she was 11 or 12. The family came down and visited her. They bought mom clothes and hired a English tutor for a year. We still talk to the family from time to time.

With that said, I am all for legit and legal immigration if people are willing to be productive members of our society. It’s why I am all for merit based immigration from all nations looking to come into our country. I am strongly against the lottery system and express lane from certain nations while being a pain in the ass toward others. Hence, why she would we give preference to a place like Haiti and not Norway?

On a side note, the only thing I respect about Norway is their privacy laws. Some of the strongest in the world and why I rent a server from them.



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19 Jan 2018, 4:47 pm

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I am strongly against the lottery system and express lane from certain nations while being a pain in the ass toward others. Hence, why she would we give preference to a place like Haiti and not Norway?

In the state of Victoria (here in Australia) an attempt was made by the previous conservative government to bypass the plentiful supply of middle eastern and South Asian taxi drivers by claiming customers were dissatisfied the former due to language issues, safety issues etc...coincidentally in Greece banks collapsed and the economy needed bailing out by the EU (one of the reasons Farage used for Brexit). Our sneaky conservatives offered taxi licences to Greek drivers as an incentive to allow up to 200,000 Greeks to settle in Australia. The move was opportunistic and racist as it bypassed the geographically closer regions to Australia in Asia where there was plenty of people willing to enter Australia and drive taxis. Ironically even in poverty not many Greeks took up the offer. Subsequently Uber established itself in Australia (although it's funny as most Uber drivers are south Asian).

In the same way Haiti is geographically closer to the US than Norway. It makes more economic sense to draw on labor from Haiti. Even Trump knows this. He himself preferentially hires Haitians (not Norwegians)
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/12/trump-a ... nswer.html

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On a side note, the only thing I respect about Norway is their privacy laws. Some of the strongest in the world and why I rent a server from them.


Trump thought he was making an argument secretly behind a closed door meeting with lawmakers, but his argument is pretty limp. Even if you bypassed the geographic closeness of Haiti and gave preferences to Norwegians they are not going to emigrate to the US because - they have a great healthcare system, strong economy, high employment - why should they live in a country where they have to use a foreign language and their children lose their cultural identity.



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19 Jan 2018, 8:38 pm

I'd rather live in the Artic where only penguins and polar bears are the only indigenous beings..


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19 Jan 2018, 9:07 pm

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I'd rather live in the Artic where only penguins and polar bears are the only indigenous beings..

sorry there are no penguins in the arctic



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19 Jan 2018, 9:15 pm

I know, just to live where there are few hinderances of sorts is what I was trying to present


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19 Jan 2018, 11:25 pm

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I know, just to live where there are few hinderances of sorts is what I was trying to present

if you knew, why did you include penguins in your answer? doesn't make sense to me.



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19 Jan 2018, 11:35 pm

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I'd rather live in the Artic where only penguins and polar bears are the only indigenous beings..

sorry there are no penguins in the arctic


No, only The Thing. In the Antarctic, you have Lovecraft's Elder Things At The Mountains Of Madness.


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20 Jan 2018, 12:41 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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I'd rather live in the Artic where only penguins and polar bears are the only indigenous beings..

sorry there are no penguins in the arctic


No, only The Thing. In the Antarctic, you have Lovecraft's Elder Things At The Mountains Of Madness.

god what a failure of a comment if it was aimed at me.
i have no idea what you are talking about.



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20 Jan 2018, 2:04 am

b9 wrote:
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I'd rather live in the Artic where only penguins and polar bears are the only indigenous beings..

sorry there are no penguins in the arctic


No, only The Thing. In the Antarctic, you have Lovecraft's Elder Things At The Mountains Of Madness.

god what a failure of a comment if it was aimed at me.
i have no idea what you are talking about.


Absolutely not! I happen to be a big fan of Lovecraft's fiction, and Campbell's Who Goes There (The basis of JOHN W. Campbell's The Thing.)


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20 Jan 2018, 2:17 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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I'd rather live in the Artic where only penguins and polar bears are the only indigenous beings..

sorry there are no penguins in the arctic


No, only The Thing. In the Antarctic, you have Lovecraft's Elder Things At The Mountains Of Madness.

god what a failure of a comment if it was aimed at me.
i have no idea what you are talking about.


Absolutely not! I happen to be a big fan of Lovecraft's fiction, and Campbell's Who Goes There (The basis of JOHN W. Campbell's The Thing.)

but i am not so i am correct.