At least 17 dead in Florida School Shooting

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15 Feb 2018, 9:07 pm

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CPRC: Europe’s per capita death rates from mass public shootngs is 20% higher than the US’s (all countries whose borders are within Europe). Africa, Australia, Israel, and the Philippines all have much higher per capita rates than the US.

Woah there cowboy, Australia has nowhere near the number of mass shootings as the US. We had 13 mass shootings in the 18 year period from '79 to '96 but none in the succeeding 20 years. Why? Well in '96 the Government brought in really tough gun control laws. I can't just wander into a department store and buy an assault rifle and nor can any other Australian. Gun control does work. It's not something Americans want to believe but it's true.

So far this year there has been 18 school shooting in America. That's just school shootings, not mass shootings in general. There were over 350 mass shootings in America last year. You guys have a gun problem. Simples.

Of course gun control works. Just ask Syria, North Korea, and Nazi Germany!

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15 Feb 2018, 9:17 pm

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Yes, the Australian murder rated has declined, but not only firearm deaths.
...The per capita equivalent would be 154 Mass shooting deaths since confiscation.
Knife killings on the rise in Australia as gun murders fall...

If you had a giant field of grass that you wanted to cut, how much easier is it with a tractor, vs a push mower?

If you have a Chihuahua and a Pit Bull, which are you going to be more afraid of attacking someone?

If someone is determined to attack you, what would you rather defend against... a knife or an assault rifle?

I think everyone who wants to live would much rather face someone with a knife than an assault rifle...

An assault rifle ban would not stop all violence, no one is suggesting it. But it sure would help in limiting injuries and deaths, and the amount of damage a person is capable of if they do choose to do something terrible like this.

Its pure simple logic, and its why the Gun Advocates, the NRA and Republicans avoid addressing it directly as if it were the plague...

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15 Feb 2018, 9:45 pm

This is a quote from The Atlantic and it's interesting because it shows less guns doesn't just mean less mass shootings.
"The number of mass shootings in Australia—defined as incidents in which a gunman killed five or more people other than himself, which is notably a higher casualty count than is generally applied for tallying mass shootings in the U.S.—dropped from 13 in the 18-year period before 1996 to zero after the Port Arthur massacre. Between 1995 and 2006, gun-related homicides and suicides in the country dropped by 59 percent and 65 percent, respectively, though these declines appear to have since leveled off. Two academics who have studied the impact of the reform initiative estimate that the gun-buyback program saves at least 200 lives each year, according to The New York Times."

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16 Feb 2018, 1:17 am

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he was also a white supremacist who was part of a group that was trying to make Florida an all-white state.

Yeah but he killed 17 white people?

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16 Feb 2018, 1:21 am

IMO the media has blood on its hands for continually and reliably televising these events and making the perpetrators much more well known than even the victims, demonstrating to violent troubled youth that not only is there an easy way to seek revenge on your bullies, but you'll become world famous, too!

perhaps we should try changing the way we report tragedies like this, before or in addition to talking about the pandoras box of gun control.

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Of course gun control works. Just ask Syria, North Korea, and Nazi Germany!

ask them what?

how gun control is at all related to their problems? because i'd like to know that, too.

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16 Feb 2018, 1:49 am

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redrobin62 wrote:

he was also a white supremacist who was part of a group that was trying to make Florida an all-white state.

Yeah but he killed 17 white people?

Regardless of his racism, I think he was more infuriated at being expelled from school.

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16 Feb 2018, 1:54 am

cyberdad wrote:

redrobin62 wrote:

he was also a white supremacist who was part of a group that was trying to make Florida an all-white state.

Yeah but he killed 17 white people?

how do we know all the victims were white?

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16 Feb 2018, 2:18 am

the pictures seem to be young girls so maybe he wasn't getting any dates either...

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16 Feb 2018, 2:24 am

my girlfriend texted me this morning saying that there was a sigificant police presence at her school an that it would be harder or me to visit her there.

recently a kid at another high school in our area was caught making threats online against female students, how to shoot them, 16 were named. i wonder how these two incidents may be linked?

https://www.independent.com/news/2018/j ... hreatened/

it looks like we may be experimenting with armed guards in schools soon.

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16 Feb 2018, 2:26 am

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This is true. But there is no question the number of mass shootings involving non family, non gang, non drug and those involving 10 or more killed have gone way up.

The worst school massacre in US history was not a school shooting but a school bombing 91 years ago.
Bath School disaster

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The Bath School disaster, sometimes known as the Bath School massacre, was a series of violent attacks perpetrated by Andrew Kehoe on May 18, 1927, in Bath Township, Michigan, which killed 38 elementary schoolchildren and six adults and injured at least 58 other people.Kehoe killed his wife and firebombed his farm, then detonated an explosion in the Bath Consolidated School before committing suicide by detonating a final device in his truck.

Andrew Kehoe was the 55-year-old school board treasurer and was angered by increased taxes and his defeat in the Spring 1926 election for township clerk. He was thought to have planned his "murderous revenge" after that public defeat. He had a reputation for difficulty on the school board and in personal dealings. In addition, he was notified that his mortgage was going to be foreclosed upon in June 1926. For much of the next year, a neighbor noticed that he had stopped working on his farm and thought that he might be planning suicide. During that period, Kehoe purchased explosives and discreetly planted them on his property and under the school

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16 Feb 2018, 2:33 am

I heard George Noory on the radio say "this is the cost of living in a free society." after screaming BULLSHITTTTT!! !! at that numbskull on the radio, I had to restrain the urge to scream. I never heard such a stupid public comment from anybody who is not The Dotard.

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16 Feb 2018, 3:14 am

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I heard George Noory on the radio say "this is the cost of living in a free society." after screaming BULLSHITTTTT!! ! ! at that numbskull on the radio, I had to restrain the urge to scream. I never heard such a stupid public comment from anybody who is not The Dotard.

What a stupid thing to say.

Obviously the guy figures those kids are just collateral damage so that everyone can be armed to the teeth... which is nucking futs. I'll never understand that part of American culture.

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16 Feb 2018, 3:40 am

Mudboy wrote:

CPRC = https://crimeresearch.org

CPRC: Europe’s per capita death rates from mass public shootngs is 20% higher than the US’s

The above statistic is highly misleading. In small European countries with low populations (ten to hundred times less than the US), of course that rare event of a mass shooting would affect a relatively larger proportion of the population.

If you look instead at "Violent deaths by firearm, rates per 100,000 population, 2016"*, the US is way above all European nations (bar Turkey) and other wealthy nations like Australia and Canada:

Germany, Australia = 0.1
Netherlands, Belgium = 0.3
Italy, Greece = 0.4
Canada = 0.5
France, Ireland = 0.6

United States = 3.1

There's no question that you're far more likely to face death by firearm in the US than in Europe - and to say otherwise is to push a dubious agenda, IMO.

* source:
http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/tools/in ... lence.html

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16 Feb 2018, 3:59 am

goldfish21 wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

I heard George Noory on the radio say "this is the cost of living in a free society." after screaming BULLSHITTTTT!! ! ! at that numbskull on the radio, I had to restrain the urge to scream. I never heard such a stupid public comment from anybody who is not The Dotard.

yes he is part of the American gun/NRA culture, he talks about packing heat [concealed weapons permit holder] on his "Coast to Coast" radio program.

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16 Feb 2018, 7:50 am

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Mahlon wrote:

Sadly yesterday, when one of the first pictures came out of the suspect, which was his year book photo, I felt a chill and knew what was coming. That yearbook photo and the smile on his face said it all to me, and reminded me of when I was younger and didn't know how to smile, and would try my best to imitate one for school pics.

So yeah it wasn't much of a surprise hearing today that he has an autism diagnosis, his obsession with firearms (special interest), his outcast status, issues socializing, and facial expressions were pointing that direction, and it always scares the heck out of me, that due to politicians focusing on mental health and not the weapon that was designed for killing PEOPLE that was easily and legally acquired, that people on the spectrum will be unjustly associated with violent acts.

Scary to say the least.

Has it actually been confirmed that he was diagnosed though? Or is it still more speculation at this point...I mean seems like as of now most of the info they have is 'he said/she said' rather than actual documentation of said diagnoses. Also though it sounds like he was acting violent and disturbed for quite a while before this shooting happened. I'd think if an autistic had a special interest in guns and weapons they would also have a great respect for them...not be shooting lizards and frogs for fun, or shooting at his neighbors chickens. Also the way he's got his face masked and is brandishing weapons in all his facebook pictures of himself makes it look like he was more interested in violence and hurting things and finally people...than anything else.

From a tweet posted by a "Mrs Redpill":

"He had possible Aspergers Disease
The same as Santa Barbara killer!"

Dear, oh dear. Where do I even begin?

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16 Feb 2018, 9:35 am

redrobin62 wrote:

@Ezra - As it turns out, a relative does say he was diagnosed with autism.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/browa ... story.html

Also, Kathie Blaine, Nikolas' cousin, said he was autistic.

https://www.local10.com/news/parkland-s ... at-we-know

Red Robin

Adam Lanza, James Holmes, Chris Harper Mercer, Dylan klebold were allegedly autistic

There are a lot of misconceptions about autism

And autistics are in the minority

Some neurotypicals act like they know all about autism just because they read one article

They are so entitled and annoying and arrogant

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