27 Nov 2018, 4:28 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I'm pretty certain American Jewish men whose ancestors came from Europe - who constitute most Jews in this country - are white males.
Jewish people identify as a separate ethnic group.Since when? The only people I've ever heard say Jews weren't white were Antisemites.
First, there are different WHITE ethnic groups. Ethnic Swedes vs. ethnic Scots, let's say. Most would agree both groups are white, but two different ethnic groups. There could very well be an ethnic component to white Jews.
And, on a side note:
Not all Jews are Ashkenazi or Sephardic. The Kaifeng Jews, for instance, wouldn't be considered white/Western, but they certainly self-identify as Jewish (even if not openly b/c it's dangerous to do so in Red China).
As one writer had pointed out, when speaking of "race or ethnicity," what they are actually referring to is language and religion.
So if a person identifies as Jewish, but is an atheist and doesn't speak a Semitic language they aren't Jewish?
27 Nov 2018, 4:29 pm
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27 Nov 2018, 7:20 pm
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I'm pretty certain American Jewish men whose ancestors came from Europe - who constitute most Jews in this country - are white males.
Jewish people identify as a separate ethnic group.Since when? The only people I've ever heard say Jews weren't white were Antisemites.
First, there are different WHITE ethnic groups. Ethnic Swedes vs. ethnic Scots, let's say. Most would agree both groups are white, but two different ethnic groups. There could very well be an ethnic component to white Jews.
And, on a side note:
Not all Jews are Ashkenazi or Sephardic. The Kaifeng Jews, for instance, wouldn't be considered white/Western, but they certainly self-identify as Jewish (even if not openly b/c it's dangerous to do so in Red China).
As one writer had pointed out, when speaking of "race or ethnicity," what they are actually referring to is language and religion.
So if a person identifies as Jewish, but is an atheist and doesn't speak a Semitic language they aren't Jewish?
I was citing a writer whose name I couldn't recall. The atheist Jewish person is who that person says he or she is. Identity has more to do with who you think you are rather than who your DNA says you are.
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