21 Feb 2019, 5:33 pm
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21 Feb 2019, 5:56 pm
VegetableMan wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
Since none of those indicted have been charged with Russian collusion, I'm still awaiting for this alleged "evidence." (I'm certain I will be waiting for a very long time.)
Indeed you will if you're waiting for an indictment with the words "the crime of collusion" on it, because there is no such thing as "the crime of collusion" in your laws. It's called other things, like being compromised by a foreign power and therefore a threat to national security, and treason, and words to that effect. You'll never see the word "collusion" on an indictment in America, they will use other words to describe the crimes Trump's campaign and administration has committed, like money laundering and tax fraud and working for a foreign power while serving in office and not disclosing that (can't remember the exact words for that one, but that's close enough for government work, as they say.)
But I know it doesn't matter how many times this is explained to you, you'll keep saying "no collusion" until they march Trump out of office and into a jail cell.
Well, it's become a circular conversation; you supporting what still amounts to a conspiracy theory, and me dealing with only the facts.
But to get back to the crux of my original comment: American disinformation should be our primary focus, rarther than all this Russia hysteria. What about the disinformation that flowed from the DNC and the MSM, designed to smear Bernie Sanders? How about the disinformation designed to smear Tulsi Gabbard, recently, with NBC actually calling her "and agent of Russian Propaganda? (The source from which they culled that nonsense has been totally discredited.)
We're constantly being barraged with disinformation from the MSM and politicians in epic proportions. Our democratic process was long subverted by corporate America. But yeah, Russia is responsible for giving us Trump. How about we actually examine the long road that got us here? How about we actually examine the fact the Democratic Party no longer represents an opposition party to the Republicans? Nah, let's ignore all that. We need a big, bad boogieman to pin it all in. It's very convenient -- and it deflects attention away from the REAL problem!
Again, it's the new McCarthyism, which you seem to buy into, hook, line, and sinker. That's your prerogative, I guess. I can only do so much to awaken you from your dream world.
I don't disagree with you that money is too involved in politics (that is true in America and it is true in my own country, as well). Our democracies are indeed flawed and there are areas, like election law, where they could use some serious fine-tuning.
But if you really think I'm embroiled in "conspiracy theories" and you can't reach me with your Russian propaganda, why are you spamming up my thread with it?
Like, don't let the door hit you on the way out, friend.
Yeah, it's not "your thread." It's a WP thread. I'll continue to have conversations with other, more reasonable folks as I see fit -- in this WP thread. I'll take the high road and stop all this ridiculous flaming. Perhaps we just bring out the worst in each other. Take care!
Bye!
21 Feb 2019, 6:00 pm
Magna wrote:
I agree with VegetableMan that in a forum such as WP (owned by a specific person or persons but allowing members like us to post here provided we abide by the forum rules) it would be more appropriate to stop thinking of threads a person may start as "their" thread. When any of us start a thread as the original OP, we're not mini-moderators for that thread, choosing who can and can't post. I've seen such references with that viewpoint before.
I think it's generally accepted universal forum etiquette as an OP to be able to remind subsequent posters to stay on topic if they veer off course or of course report rule violations (as can anyone else), but other than that, threads are open to anyone as far as I know.
I think it's generally accepted universal forum etiquette as an OP to be able to remind subsequent posters to stay on topic if they veer off course or of course report rule violations (as can anyone else), but other than that, threads are open to anyone as far as I know.
I just meant if he thinks the person who created a thread is full of nothing but conspiracy theories, then why go to threads that person makes just to admittedly fill them up with spam comments? If that's all he has to contribute, there's no point in bothering. When I said my thread, I meant the thread I created as a person he claims is full of conspiracy theories--if he doesn't like me and what I have to say, he doesn't have to seek out threads I create to tell me that because it is pointless and doesn't further any discussion. I don't think I own the thread, when I say "my" I mean "the thread I made". Is that clear enough for you guys?
21 Feb 2019, 6:14 pm
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21 Feb 2019, 8:54 pm
22 Feb 2019, 12:22 am
VegetableMan wrote:
I wish I possessed your even temperament, Magna. You rarely seem to get ruffled or take things personally. There's too much acrimony in political discussions. That's the understatement of the year, and a painful grasp of the obvious, of course. I wish civilized discussion would be more of a going concern. Unfortunately, polemic rhetoric is the flavor of the day.
Ha! Thanks, VegetableMan, but you should hear me yelling at some of you and the disparaging remarks I make. I've been lucky enough so far to be able to vent such things audibly to myself before I start typing. The backspace and delete keys are also my saving graces.
22 Feb 2019, 6:22 pm
Magna wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
I wish I possessed your even temperament, Magna. You rarely seem to get ruffled or take things personally. There's too much acrimony in political discussions. That's the understatement of the year, and a painful grasp of the obvious, of course. I wish civilized discussion would be more of a going concern. Unfortunately, polemic rhetoric is the flavor of the day.
Ha! Thanks, VegetableMan, but you should hear me yelling at some of you and the disparaging remarks I make. I've been lucky enough so far to be able to vent such things audibly to myself before I start typing. The backspace and delete keys are also my saving graces.
I need to reinstall my backspace and delete keys on my keyboard.
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