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25 Feb 2019, 4:18 pm

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I can't do any of these because I don't have kids and I never breastfed anything. This particular study only applies to breastfeeding women, so I have no personal frame of reference.


When we were infants, we developed a strong natural mother-child bond. Then as we grew, we transitioned this bond into intangible items such as stuffed animals, that became our nighttime companions, to watch over us while we slept. So the question is can one develop a model, a simulation of an actual process to stimulate the release of oxytocin naturally. A simulation of the breast feeding process without a child or the production of milk.

If you feel uncomfortable in conducting this experiment that is fine. There is nothing forcing you. It is just perfecting a potential tool to normalize extreme stress loads.


I'm not only not comfortable with that idea, I'm getting more and more uncomfortable with you asking me to conduct this "experiment".

My original comment was about oxytocin and nipple play and orgasms, so I don't know why you keep insisting on making this about breastfeeding. I think I'm going to bow out of this discussion now, it's starting to creep me out.



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25 Feb 2019, 5:21 pm

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There is love without sex, and sex without love. I wasn't aware that there was a widespread belief that sex equals love.

To be honest, whoever said that "sex equals love" doesn't really know what real love is about. :|



Nobody was actually saying that "sex equals love" in this thread, I don't believe; just that was a very common misconception. I've never picked up on that being a prevalent attitude.

I know that. I'm just saying.


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25 Feb 2019, 6:11 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
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karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
I can't do any of these because I don't have kids and I never breastfed anything. This particular study only applies to breastfeeding women, so I have no personal frame of reference.


When we were infants, we developed a strong natural mother-child bond. Then as we grew, we transitioned this bond into intangible items such as stuffed animals, that became our nighttime companions, to watch over us while we slept. So the question is can one develop a model, a simulation of an actual process to stimulate the release of oxytocin naturally. A simulation of the breast feeding process without a child or the production of milk.

If you feel uncomfortable in conducting this experiment that is fine. There is nothing forcing you. It is just perfecting a potential tool to normalize extreme stress loads.


I'm not only not comfortable with that idea, I'm getting more and more uncomfortable with you asking me to conduct this "experiment".

My original comment was about oxytocin and nipple play and orgasms, so I don't know why you keep insisting on making this about breastfeeding. I think I'm going to bow out of this discussion now, it's starting to creep me out.


:roll: No one asked you to conduct this experiment. All he said was if you’re not comfortable doing it, then don’t.

Meanwhile it seems you suggested guys should just jerk off instead of using a nasal spray. That’s not exactly a socially acceptable thing to do in most times and places, and a bit of a creepy suggestion.


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25 Feb 2019, 6:14 pm

I'm kind of in the "jerking off" camp myself.

Masturbation has saved me from much heartache in my younger years.



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25 Feb 2019, 6:23 pm

It is not my intent to creep anyone out or seek socially unacceptable solutions.

So if I have done so, I apologize.

Some of my Aspie traits are:
* does not understand conventional social rules (have problems with following social conventions such as respecting another person's physical space, speaking loudly in quiet places)
* shows a lack of empathy (difficulty understanding others’ feelings, difficulty communicating feelings)
* unaware of others’ thoughts, feelings, desires, intentions or perceptions resulting in inadvertently appearing rude or inconsiderate
* an original way of thinking. (outside the box)


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25 Feb 2019, 8:13 pm

jimmy m wrote:
It is not my intent to creep anyone out or seek socially unacceptable solutions.

So if I have done so, I apologize.

Some of my Aspie traits are:
* does not understand conventional social rules (have problems with following social conventions such as respecting another person's physical space, speaking loudly in quiet places)
* shows a lack of empathy (difficulty understanding others’ feelings, difficulty communicating feelings)
* unaware of others’ thoughts, feelings, desires, intentions or perceptions resulting in inadvertently appearing rude or inconsiderate
* an original way of thinking. (outside the box)


It made me uncomfortable because not all women feel a mothering, parenting instinct and I've been judged for that for a long time as a woman who doesn't, so the insistence on relating this to breastfeeding and mother-child dynamics felt like more pressure.

I've had complete strangers ask me in public if I have children and then look at me funny and judge me when I say no, never wanted to be a mom. People think that's an OK thing to ask women about for some reason, no one ever thinks "what if this woman wanted kids but couldn't have any for physiological reasons and me bringing it up might hurt her feelings" or "maybe not all women want kids and that's OK and this might be one of those women", they just ask like it's their business and then judge you for being an "incomplete woman". One elderly man, one of those complete strangers who asked me this, told me I would never be happy as a woman until I had children because that's what we're built for and not having them is "ignoring nature". I just stared at him slack-jawed because I could not believe he had the gall to say that to a stranger openly.

But yeah, not all women have mommy feelings and don't want to explore mommy feelings and there's nothing wrong with that.



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25 Feb 2019, 8:15 pm

Like you said "There is nothing wrong with that".


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25 Feb 2019, 8:17 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
jimmy m wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
I can't do any of these because I don't have kids and I never breastfed anything. This particular study only applies to breastfeeding women, so I have no personal frame of reference.


When we were infants, we developed a strong natural mother-child bond. Then as we grew, we transitioned this bond into intangible items such as stuffed animals, that became our nighttime companions, to watch over us while we slept. So the question is can one develop a model, a simulation of an actual process to stimulate the release of oxytocin naturally. A simulation of the breast feeding process without a child or the production of milk.

If you feel uncomfortable in conducting this experiment that is fine. There is nothing forcing you. It is just perfecting a potential tool to normalize extreme stress loads.


I'm not only not comfortable with that idea, I'm getting more and more uncomfortable with you asking me to conduct this "experiment".

My original comment was about oxytocin and nipple play and orgasms, so I don't know why you keep insisting on making this about breastfeeding. I think I'm going to bow out of this discussion now, it's starting to creep me out.


:roll: No one asked you to conduct this experiment. All he said was if you’re not comfortable doing it, then don’t.

Meanwhile it seems you suggested guys should just jerk off instead of using a nasal spray. That’s not exactly a socially acceptable thing to do in most times and places, and a bit of a creepy suggestion.


No one asked for your snark, either. There's no need to be such a jerk to me here, this is a sensitive subject for me and I explained why to jimmy m in my last comment.

I suggested orgasm (not jacking off, there are different ways to reach orgasm and I never specified how people might choose to get there) because from what I know and my personal experience oxytocin is related to orgasms. That is my frame of reference because I have experience with orgasms but I have no experience with breastfeeding or motherhood. How about you just back off, OK? I would appreciate that.



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25 Feb 2019, 8:21 pm

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Like you said "There is nothing wrong with that".


Thank you for understanding and not jumping down my throat like goldfish did.



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25 Feb 2019, 9:03 pm

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I'm kind of in the "jerking off" camp myself.

Masturbation has saved me from much heartache in my younger years.


My Doctor said I had to stop masturbating , when I asked why , he said because he was trying to examine me :mrgreen:


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25 Feb 2019, 9:20 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
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I'm kind of in the "jerking off" camp myself.

Masturbation has saved me from much heartache in my younger years.


My Doctor said I had to stop masturbating , when I asked why , he said because he was trying to examine me :mrgreen:




*Rimshot*


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25 Feb 2019, 9:33 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
jimmy m wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
I can't do any of these because I don't have kids and I never breastfed anything. This particular study only applies to breastfeeding women, so I have no personal frame of reference.


When we were infants, we developed a strong natural mother-child bond. Then as we grew, we transitioned this bond into intangible items such as stuffed animals, that became our nighttime companions, to watch over us while we slept. So the question is can one develop a model, a simulation of an actual process to stimulate the release of oxytocin naturally. A simulation of the breast feeding process without a child or the production of milk.

If you feel uncomfortable in conducting this experiment that is fine. There is nothing forcing you. It is just perfecting a potential tool to normalize extreme stress loads.


I'm not only not comfortable with that idea, I'm getting more and more uncomfortable with you asking me to conduct this "experiment".

My original comment was about oxytocin and nipple play and orgasms, so I don't know why you keep insisting on making this about breastfeeding. I think I'm going to bow out of this discussion now, it's starting to creep me out.


:roll: No one asked you to conduct this experiment. All he said was if you’re not comfortable doing it, then don’t.

Meanwhile it seems you suggested guys should just jerk off instead of using a nasal spray. That’s not exactly a socially acceptable thing to do in most times and places, and a bit of a creepy suggestion.


No one asked for your snark, either. There's no need to be such a jerk to me here, this is a sensitive subject for me and I explained why to jimmy m in my last comment.

I suggested orgasm (not jacking off, there are different ways to reach orgasm and I never specified how people might choose to get there) because from what I know and my personal experience oxytocin is related to orgasms. That is my frame of reference because I have experience with orgasms but I have no experience with breastfeeding or motherhood. How about you just back off, OK? I would appreciate that.


Well, I have experience with drugs and sex, so just accept my preference to rail this stuff and get laid, OK?


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25 Feb 2019, 9:38 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
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karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
jimmy m wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
I can't do any of these because I don't have kids and I never breastfed anything. This particular study only applies to breastfeeding women, so I have no personal frame of reference.


When we were infants, we developed a strong natural mother-child bond. Then as we grew, we transitioned this bond into intangible items such as stuffed animals, that became our nighttime companions, to watch over us while we slept. So the question is can one develop a model, a simulation of an actual process to stimulate the release of oxytocin naturally. A simulation of the breast feeding process without a child or the production of milk.

If you feel uncomfortable in conducting this experiment that is fine. There is nothing forcing you. It is just perfecting a potential tool to normalize extreme stress loads.


I'm not only not comfortable with that idea, I'm getting more and more uncomfortable with you asking me to conduct this "experiment".

My original comment was about oxytocin and nipple play and orgasms, so I don't know why you keep insisting on making this about breastfeeding. I think I'm going to bow out of this discussion now, it's starting to creep me out.


:roll: No one asked you to conduct this experiment. All he said was if you’re not comfortable doing it, then don’t.

Meanwhile it seems you suggested guys should just jerk off instead of using a nasal spray. That’s not exactly a socially acceptable thing to do in most times and places, and a bit of a creepy suggestion.


No one asked for your snark, either. There's no need to be such a jerk to me here, this is a sensitive subject for me and I explained why to jimmy m in my last comment.

I suggested orgasm (not jacking off, there are different ways to reach orgasm and I never specified how people might choose to get there) because from what I know and my personal experience oxytocin is related to orgasms. That is my frame of reference because I have experience with orgasms but I have no experience with breastfeeding or motherhood. How about you just back off, OK? I would appreciate that.


Well, I have experience with drugs and sex, so just accept my preference to rail this stuff and get laid, OK?


I never said anything about your preference, so I'm not sure where this came from. I'm just asking you to back off with the snark.



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26 Feb 2019, 4:10 pm

No we don't because there is no such thing as a "Love Hormone". Love is a verb, and everyone has an equal capacity to perform it. That's what makes us human.

And this oxytocin malarkey...honestly, the people I know who indulge in the most frog leaping are the ones who are most miserable in life and go from one partner to the other, never finding...aha..."Love"! Sometimes I could swear they find the real thing when they're at their least neurotypical and most easy for me to relate to.

I have a sneaking suspicion that Jesus was on the spectrum somewhere. You can't say that guy didn't have love.


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26 Feb 2019, 10:18 pm

I have received an email that the Oxytocin Nasal Spray is being shipped. The packet contained a certificate of analysis from a testing lab in California using a chromatogram of the assay preparation. And the lab report was signed by the laboratory director. Also I received instructions on storage and use. It degrades above 30 degrees C. [86 degrees F.] Storage in refrigerator not freezer. The directions for administering are detailed in the email file. "The way you spray has a huge impact on whether or not you will experience the effects or not."

They recommend taking a dose once every 3 or 4 hours.
There is an optimum dose. Too much oxytocin will not generate pro-social effects. If you feel dizzy or sleepy, you are dosing too much. Recommended dose of one spray per dose for the first 4 weeks, 2 for the next 4 weeks and then 3 after 8 weeks.


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