Keen observation on the effectiveness of walls

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Yeah, I guess all those scientists are just lying about the threat to the environment because they hate Trump.

I love how you say you like to learn but then you completely discount sources of information without even reading them. For someone who is supposedly curious about the world you sure seem very closed-minded to any kind of information or ideas that challenge your already held beliefs.

BTW When I was 10 years old, I was reading my dad's National Geographic magazines and dreaming of being a scientist. They are a long-standing excellent and reliable source of information about the natural world. One of the reasons I included them in my sources that you can't even take a few minutes to read with you "open mind".

trump said Mexico would pay for it. He’s lied over 8,000 times since taking office - more than every other potus combined.

A wall doesn’t solve your illegal immigration problem because that’s not where they cross. It’s a waste of money.

If you understand wildlife habitats then you’d understand that animals migrate to follow food/clear weather. A wall would mess that up for a lot of wildlife.

Way before that. America has been vilifying Mexicans since at least the days of Refer Madness in the 1930’s.

8 Prototype Border Walls Being Demolished

A good place to start...

President Trump's proposed border wall will help federal agencies secure the U.S.-Mexico border, according to Carla Provost, the newly announced chief of U.S. border patrol.

"Most certainly, it already assists my men and women," Provost told Hill.TV's Buck Sexton on Wednesday.

"We already have many miles, over 600 miles of barrier along the border. I have been in locations where there was no barrier, and then I was there when we put it up. It certainly helps. It's not a be all end all. It's a part of a system. We need the technology, we need that infrastructure," she added in the interview that aired Thursday.

The Trump administration announced on Thursday that Provost would lead the agency, making her the first woman to ever hold the position.

The president has come under fire in recent months after reports surfaced that his zero tolerance immigration policy led to the separation of more than 2,500 migrant children from their parents at the U.S. border.

Trump first vowed to build a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico during the start of his presidential campaign in 2015. In recent weeks, he has threatened to shut down the government over funding for the wall, slamming the Senate's proposal to provide $1.6 billion for the project.

He is reportedly expected to push for the full $25 billion to fund the structure.

However, the Government Accountability Office revealed on Monday that the administration has not conducted a full analysis of the costs for the wall.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection has tested eight prototypes for border barriers, and has assessed each design for security and costs.

"We need the agents to be able to respond when there is traffic to the area, and we need access and mobility. A lot of the areas along the border are very difficult for us to access," Provost said.

"It's that combination of those four things, impedance and denial, technology, access and mobility, and then the men and women," she said. "That's that kind of, I guess that magic combination that we have found over the 23 years I have been in. It's a different combination everywhere that we go. There's no one size fits all, but we definitely need all of those things."

— Julia Manchester

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/40105 ... t-securing

People often don't think about the fact that many children die as a result of people attempting to cross the border illegally, taking their children on long dangerous journeys to sneak into a country, children unable to survive the journey and it has nothing to do with border security, it's the people dumb enough to take their children on a harsh journey to illegally cross the border undocumented. Then people attack our country saying it's our fault that people are breaking laws and losing their children in the process. To me, it's like taking your child with you to rob a bank then suggesting that it's the cops fault that your child got injured by you attempting to flee the scene, or blaming the cops that you got arrested and separated from your child by getting arrested for breaking the law and robbing the bank. People also don't consider how Mexican family members are held for ransom and even killed sometimes by the people they pay to sneak them across. There are many sides to every story, stop pretending its just bad ole America trying to keep innocent people out without any justification.

Yet when shown a list of the most prominent scientists, you didn't seem to know who any of them are.

Only because they're brown. If they were white they would've always been embraced with open arms. Just like the super white Irish immigrants were.

oops, I missed this one


I wasn't aware there was a team of scientists warning us about how 'the wall' is going to cause a habitat to collapse, I must have missed that one.

What sources are you speaking of, did I miss something. You are fun to argue with sometimes

I found them, we do so much back and forth it's hard to keep up. Where were the activists at before now? Use a fence, bugs can hop through the fence, birds can fly over the fence, wolves can...turn around? Maybe we could install a doggy door? I'm a little more concerned with the illegal migration, they generally only move in one direction.

The best joke is the wall budget blew out so much he has no choice but to outsource the labor to Mexicans to keep the cost down. (if ever the wall gets built )

He also claimed he would bring jobs back to America. Now that's 8001 lies...

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Since you directly answered my previous comment with the sources in it I know you saw them already and just intentionally skipped over reading them, and your arguing tactic is to be disingenuous. I'm going to stop talking to you now, it's pointless to try to have a discussion with people who just lie and don't read citations but continue trying to debate without even bothering to actually read their opponent's response. How can you have a conversation when you don't even know the other person's side because you haven't bothered to listen/read? If you ever learn to debate with any integrity, feel free to comment to me then. Until then, don't bother.

Whatever you say kara, I directly answered your response, apparently you didn't read mine. I'm not going to continually repeat myself, especially when you post some stuff like that in a reply to the answer I gave you??

I'm more concerned with illegal migration versus animal migration. Hell, maybe a fence isn't the best idea, I just know the border needs to be monitored, I know fences greatly reduce border crossings on foot. Perhaps there are alternate option, survalence cams, motion dectectors, anything is better than nothing.

Odd debating tactics, ignore answers given then pretend that they were never said. Like the other day, you made a bogus claim that it's wrong to talk about people that aren't here to defend themselves while ignoring when I point out that everyone including you does the exact same thing. I pointed out Trump isn't here to defend himself yet you constantly talk bad about him. Which is fine, we all do it, what's funny is you completely ignored that statement and acted as if that somehow justifies you to be able to mock me for not having a degree, which is really funny considering you moved on to state that you also don't have a degree. I could try to be mean also, something tells me you would report me if I did, so I just combat you with logic, then you ignore it because you have no response.

But yes, I agree, it's probably best if we just avoid talking to each-other(for the 3rd time). Your way of operating really frustrates me. There is no such thing as a civil disagreement with you or you being corrected on anything, if you get proven wrong you will just ignore it as if it were never said, if you disagree you will try to mock or make fun of. I'm sure you'll insist the same for me, but you would be incorrect, I may be hard headed, I need proof to insist I'm wrong, when someone presents that proof, I won't just deny it and I will admit I was wrong, it's already happen quite a few times since I started talking on this forum. Being open minded to me, doesn't mean just accepting things I don't believe because someone else believes it. I've already explained the ways I'm open minded. I feel if I made a statement saying the moon landing really occurred, I feel that you would try to argue how I'm wrong and if I don't get that it's because I'm stupid.