Mueller findings do not conclude Trump committed crime

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25 Mar 2019, 6:22 pm

I don't fall for "left wing media crap."

I listen to what Trump says---and the way he tweets every time something upsets him. Frankly, he talks like one of those professional wrestler types.

I wish we could go back to the days when Presidents were "Presidential."



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25 Mar 2019, 6:25 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't fall for "left wing media crap."

I listen to what Trump says---and the way he tweets every time something upsets him. Frankly, he talks like one of those professional wrestler types.

I wish we could go back to the days when Presidents were "Presidential."



Yea, because smooth talking criminals are the best. I'm a little drunk :D

But really, I don't think he is a divisive person, I think the people who twist his words and cry more than him are the divisive ones.



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25 Mar 2019, 6:28 pm

Maybe you don't like Trump----but you seem to prefer him.....



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25 Mar 2019, 6:42 pm

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Maybe you don't like Trump----but you seem to prefer him.....


I'm just tired of people acting like he hasn't done anything positive, and he is just bad. I don’t like that because from what I hear, that isn't even true. I'm also tired of having presidents who don't seem to do anything good, yet people act like they are the best thing ever. Like I mentioned before, if a corrupt bank is paying for your presidents, which don't seem to do much of anything positive, then why are people so gear for that to continue as normal? Tim Pool doesn't like Trump, he is a leftist, yet even he can mention positive things Trump has done, while most other people act as if Satan is the president, simply because he is a poor speaker, I don't think it has much to do with his policies. I wish I could remember things, it's no hallucination though. And yea, I don't mind having a president that Goldman Sachs didn’t pay for.



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25 Mar 2019, 7:00 pm

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Mueller findings do not conclude Trump committed crime.
Bummer.

Looks like we're stuck with him for: 1 year, 9 months, 27 days, 16 hours, 46 minutes, and 03 seconds.

(Source: Time Until Trump Leaves Office.)

Never say Never Maybe 5 years, 9 months, and 27 days until he leaves office.
or maybe 1 year, 9 months and 27 days until Federal Marshalls throw him out.


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25 Mar 2019, 7:06 pm

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The mainstream media is the enemy of the people.


Do any of you actually believe that Twitter does not count as mainstream media?


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25 Mar 2019, 8:55 pm

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Anti-climactic to be sure, but neither is Trump exonerated. Elijah Cummings is demanding transcripts for encrypted messages between the White House and the Kremlin.
At the very least, all the convictions Mueller's gotten demonstrates how Trump hardly chooses "the best people."


Funny how I have just been watching CNN have a meltdown and they have been saying these exact sorry words. The hoax is over. CNN has been lying to you for 3 years. You have said endless times that Mueller would get Trump on collusion. Stop backpeddling and admit you were wrong. Learn from this and get away from CNN.


The report in fact stated that Trump was in no way exonerated.
A clear connection to the Russian troll farms was not found, but the Trump Tower meeting with covert Russian agents, as well as the illegal and unofficial encrypted White House/Kremlin line, are undeniable.
If I don't watch CNN, am I supposed to watch Russian TV, which is blatantly not just hostile to my country, but seeks to harm it?


Sorry, you're not going to wriggle out of this. You clearly said that Mueller will find the evidence that proves collusion. YOU WERE WRONG. CNN and all the usual suspects have been pushing this hoax for years. THEY WERE LYING. They aren't going to just say that. They are making out like there just wasn't enough evidence but yeah it still probably happened. It's B.S. People don't start guilty and have to prove their innocence.
That's B.S too. The whole thing is a crock and it's very undeniable because it's garbage.
Watch both I'd say. Russia is capable of no such thing.


There are - I believe - 17 separate investigations into Trump still going on. At the very least, they're going to demonstrate how Trump is the most corrupt man ever to sit in the White House.
The Mueller report in fact states there was clear Russian interference in our election, that they were the guilty party who had hacked Clinton's emails, and that they had passed said emails onto Wikileaks who then leaked them on Russia's behalf. What was that you had been saying about the Russians having no involvement in the Clinton hacking scandal? Or that Wikileaks as an organization is not an agent of Russia?


Good luck with that. Na, every US President has been just as corrupt. But let's stop moving the goalposts. This whole hoax started over 'collusion'.
That's already been debunked by Ray McGovern and two ex NSA chief executives. The DNC emails were leaked not hacked, that's proven. Mueller is a proven liar and had to repeat the hack conspiracy theories but there was no way to falsify collusion because it involved purely human beings. Wikileaks has leaked thousands of files about Kremlin corruption so unlucky.
What was it you said about Mueller proving collusion? No point in wasting my time with people who cannot admit they were wrong.

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That is completely untrue. Most American Presidents, while doubtlessly flawed, were law abiding and honest. No, Trump is in a class all by himself.


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25 Mar 2019, 8:58 pm

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The mainstream media is the enemy of the people.


That claim is a tenet of fascism.


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26 Mar 2019, 2:00 am

I'm not a lawyer but my understanding is the full content of the Mueller report has not been released to the media.

What was released is fairly clear that while the committee cleared Trump of directly colluding with the Russians there are still grounds for Trump to be prosecuted for obstructing justice (this happens in criminal cases where witnesses give false evidence to drag out an investigation and hide facts thus perjuring themselves)

So why might Trump obstruct the Mueller investigation into alleged Russian Collusion?
We already know the Russians interfered in the 2016 election by hacking Hillary Clinton's email and influencing polls in key marginal states
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... l-election

This interference is known to have benefited the Trump campaign
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-i ... ncy-report

Trump Jr met with a Russian lawyer and according to the NY times
The meeting occurred after a Russian intermediary contacted Mr Trump Jr with a promise to provide material that would "incriminate" Hillary Clinton - the Democratic candidate - and be "very useful to your father". It was part of the Russian government's "support" for Mr Trump, he noted. Mr Trump Jr replied: "I love it."

Furthermore
In June 2018 Mr Trump tweeted that the meeting was "to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics".

In my view Trump knew the Russian hacks into Clinton's emails and their involvement in local elections was highly beneficial to his victory in 2016 and the greater publicity given to this fact in combination with Trump Jnr's weasley digging up dirt - the bigger the embarrassment that he got into the whitehouse based on the influence of an enemy state (Russia).

While he may not have directly colluded he benefited big time from Russian interference
Hence his attempt at obstruction - let's hope justice still prevails



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26 Mar 2019, 2:11 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
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Anti-climactic to be sure, but neither is Trump exonerated. Elijah Cummings is demanding transcripts for encrypted messages between the White House and the Kremlin.
At the very least, all the convictions Mueller's gotten demonstrates how Trump hardly chooses "the best people."


Funny how I have just been watching CNN have a meltdown and they have been saying these exact sorry words. The hoax is over. CNN has been lying to you for 3 years. You have said endless times that Mueller would get Trump on collusion. Stop backpeddling and admit you were wrong. Learn from this and get away from CNN.


The report in fact stated that Trump was in no way exonerated.
A clear connection to the Russian troll farms was not found, but the Trump Tower meeting with covert Russian agents, as well as the illegal and unofficial encrypted White House/Kremlin line, are undeniable.
If I don't watch CNN, am I supposed to watch Russian TV, which is blatantly not just hostile to my country, but seeks to harm it?


Sorry, you're not going to wriggle out of this. You clearly said that Mueller will find the evidence that proves collusion. YOU WERE WRONG. CNN and all the usual suspects have been pushing this hoax for years. THEY WERE LYING. They aren't going to just say that. They are making out like there just wasn't enough evidence but yeah it still probably happened. It's B.S. People don't start guilty and have to prove their innocence.
That's B.S too. The whole thing is a crock and it's very undeniable because it's garbage.
Watch both I'd say. Russia is capable of no such thing.


There are - I believe - 17 separate investigations into Trump still going on. At the very least, they're going to demonstrate how Trump is the most corrupt man ever to sit in the White House.
The Mueller report in fact states there was clear Russian interference in our election, that they were the guilty party who had hacked Clinton's emails, and that they had passed said emails onto Wikileaks who then leaked them on Russia's behalf. What was that you had been saying about the Russians having no involvement in the Clinton hacking scandal? Or that Wikileaks as an organization is not an agent of Russia?


Good luck with that. Na, every US President has been just as corrupt. But let's stop moving the goalposts. This whole hoax started over 'collusion'.
That's already been debunked by Ray McGovern and two ex NSA chief executives. The DNC emails were leaked not hacked, that's proven. Mueller is a proven liar and had to repeat the hack conspiracy theories but there was no way to falsify collusion because it involved purely human beings. Wikileaks has leaked thousands of files about Kremlin corruption so unlucky.
What was it you said about Mueller proving collusion? No point in wasting my time with people who cannot admit they were wrong.

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That is completely untrue. Most American Presidents, while doubtlessly flawed, were law abiding and honest. No, Trump is in a class all by himself.


:lol: You just talk pure garbage. Like Chomsky said, every US President would have been hung at Nuremberg. You've shown you can't admit to being wrong.


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26 Mar 2019, 2:13 am

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The mainstream media is the enemy of the people.


That claim is a tenet of fascism.


The media are fascists and supported armed neo Nazis in Ukraine. They lie about war that killed millions of people. Nazi Germany Would have been proud to have had the US media.


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26 Mar 2019, 2:23 am

The main reason why Hillary didn't win is because of Hillary. Even many democrats agreed with that at the time. And also a main contributing factor was James Comey. Hillary directly blamed Comey originally and so did most if not all democrats at the time.

I remember Comey's nationally broadcast statements regarding his investigation of Clinton right before the election and thinking, "that's it, she's toast". In other words I knew he had just sabotaged her campaign.

I never heard anything about the WikiLeaks deal until some time after the election. And I doubt most other Americans did either.



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26 Mar 2019, 7:49 am

The democrat’s conundrum is that if they give up trying to investigate Trump they need to fill the void with tangible ideas that improve the lot of the average working citizen besides juvenile initiatives like the Green Deal, dead-on-arrival Medicare for All and making disgusting anti-Semitic remarks.



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26 Mar 2019, 7:55 am

This is exactly why I hate Republicans AND Democrats. Democrats know that Trump is trouble, yet they are too incompetent to do anything to stop him. And now we know that they are just as corrupt too. I mean fighting corruption WITH corruption? WTF? 8O



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26 Mar 2019, 11:42 am

JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
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Anti-climactic to be sure, but neither is Trump exonerated. Elijah Cummings is demanding transcripts for encrypted messages between the White House and the Kremlin.
At the very least, all the convictions Mueller's gotten demonstrates how Trump hardly chooses "the best people."


Funny how I have just been watching CNN have a meltdown and they have been saying these exact sorry words. The hoax is over. CNN has been lying to you for 3 years. You have said endless times that Mueller would get Trump on collusion. Stop backpeddling and admit you were wrong. Learn from this and get away from CNN.


The report in fact stated that Trump was in no way exonerated.
A clear connection to the Russian troll farms was not found, but the Trump Tower meeting with covert Russian agents, as well as the illegal and unofficial encrypted White House/Kremlin line, are undeniable.
If I don't watch CNN, am I supposed to watch Russian TV, which is blatantly not just hostile to my country, but seeks to harm it?


Sorry, you're not going to wriggle out of this. You clearly said that Mueller will find the evidence that proves collusion. YOU WERE WRONG. CNN and all the usual suspects have been pushing this hoax for years. THEY WERE LYING. They aren't going to just say that. They are making out like there just wasn't enough evidence but yeah it still probably happened. It's B.S. People don't start guilty and have to prove their innocence.
That's B.S too. The whole thing is a crock and it's very undeniable because it's garbage.
Watch both I'd say. Russia is capable of no such thing.


There are - I believe - 17 separate investigations into Trump still going on. At the very least, they're going to demonstrate how Trump is the most corrupt man ever to sit in the White House.
The Mueller report in fact states there was clear Russian interference in our election, that they were the guilty party who had hacked Clinton's emails, and that they had passed said emails onto Wikileaks who then leaked them on Russia's behalf. What was that you had been saying about the Russians having no involvement in the Clinton hacking scandal? Or that Wikileaks as an organization is not an agent of Russia?


Good luck with that. Na, every US President has been just as corrupt. But let's stop moving the goalposts. This whole hoax started over 'collusion'.
That's already been debunked by Ray McGovern and two ex NSA chief executives. The DNC emails were leaked not hacked, that's proven. Mueller is a proven liar and had to repeat the hack conspiracy theories but there was no way to falsify collusion because it involved purely human beings. Wikileaks has leaked thousands of files about Kremlin corruption so unlucky.
What was it you said about Mueller proving collusion? No point in wasting my time with people who cannot admit they were wrong.

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That is completely untrue. Most American Presidents, while doubtlessly flawed, were law abiding and honest. No, Trump is in a class all by himself.


:lol: You just talk pure garbage. Like Chomsky said, every US President would have been hung at Nuremberg. You've shown you can't admit to being wrong.


Either Chomsky was speaking with hyperbole, or he's not the genius everyone seems to think he is. Most likely it's the former.
Sure, I can admit when I'm wrong; I do it all the time. But can you?


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26 Mar 2019, 11:44 am

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The main reason why Hillary didn't win is because of Hillary. Even many democrats agreed with that at the time. And also a main contributing factor was James Comey. Hillary directly blamed Comey originally and so did most if not all democrats at the time.

I remember Comey's nationally broadcast statements regarding his investigation of Clinton right before the election and thinking, "that's it, she's toast". In other words I knew he had just sabotaged her campaign.

I never heard anything about the WikiLeaks deal until some time after the election. And I doubt most other Americans did either.


She still won the popular vote.


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